Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 1126 Location: London, England
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:05 am Post subject:
Hi Phil,
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Anyway, Larry, which this, this and this is the most important to you?
He-he, I think you pretty much know the answer to that one Phil. It would have to be a clone of the package offered by a certain Canadian Doctor
As I said previous, I?ve never bought ?hosting?, but one thing that would make me stall is worrying that I was buying the correct ?bandwidth? option. Naturally I would not want to go for too little and be sending visitors to a screen that reads 'This site has exceeded ...? on the other hand I?d worry that I?d gone for too big an option and was paying for excess bandwidth. Keep those ?options? away from me
I?d also want reassuring that I could do FTP etc. etc. It would have to be as ?simple? as ABC (or should I say SBI )
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And, imho, one of the problems with SBI, and Ken's writing style, is that it just overwhelms some people with it's generosity. Kinda just like my posting style!
Yep, Ken can be a little pleonastic, but he doesn?t hold back with the information. Tough call sometimes, do you just say to the pupil ? put her in gear and drive? and then wait for the crunch of cogs, or spend ages explaining the mechanics of a transmission system? _________________ Why Do Most Affiliates Make Less Than $500 Per Month? All The Tools = Business Success.
Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 1322 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject:
Larry Chamberlain wrote:
He-he, I think you pretty much know the answer to that one Phil. It would have to be a clone of the package offered by a certain Canadian Doctor
Ha, yes, we have recorded the votes of the English lord niche!
So, do you regularly use each and every feature of SBI? Are some features more important to you than others? Are there features you rarely if ever use?
Here's the challenge any developer faces.
If they add every feature anybody has ever mentioned, they wind up with a big bloat hog piece of software, where ease of use, the most important feature, is no longer available.
If they leave out something important, then of course, users will be displeased.
What's your opinion on the following?
I see a web where webmasters are distracted and confused by all kinds of info overload. Too many features, too many sites, too many strategies, too much of everything etc etc.
It seems like we're leaving a "more is better" world, and entering one where knowing how to focus is the game. Focusing involves throwing things away, not adding to the pile?
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As I said previous, I?ve never bought ?hosting?, but one thing that would make me stall is worrying that I was buying the correct ?bandwidth? option.
For what it may be worth, I wouldn't worry to much about this one. If you have enough traffic to worry about bandwidth, you should have enough income to pay for it. If you don't, the problem isn't bandwidth.
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I?d also want reassuring that I could do FTP etc. etc.
In your current setup, what do you FTP?
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It would have to be as ?simple? as ABC (or should I say SBI
OK, gotcha, that's why I need to know what's important. If I include everything, the result won't be simple.
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Yep, Ken can be a little pleonastic, but he doesn?t hold back with the information
Awesome! I used to be just a blowhard, but now I want to be pleonastic! I don't know what it means, but I love the ring it has..
Pleonastic-Fantastic.com!
Thanks for the discussion Larry. Please drop out when you get bored, cause this is the kind of topic I'll just go on and on about for days... _________________ Free Email Discussion Group For Your Site
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Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 1126 Location: London, England
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject:
Hi again Phil,
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So, do you regularly use each and every feature of SBI? Are some features more important to you than others? Are there features you rarely if ever use?
Most important feature? There are plenty that are very important to me, but I?ll come to the most important in a moment.
Shame faced I have to admit that I have not yet used the autoresponders or newsletter features and that is something that I certainly should do.
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If they add every feature anybody has ever mentioned, they wind up with a big bloat hog piece of software, where ease of use, the most important feature, is no longer available.
Yes, you have a point, but sort of contrary to that I find having ?everything? inside SBI does give me ?ease of use?. For example you ask ?in your current setup, what do you FTP?? That?s the point, I don?t, all that is taken care of. I couldn?t FTP no more than I could go white water rafting
So, I?m tempted to say the most important feature to me is indeed ?ease of use?.
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I see a web where webmasters are distracted and confused by all kinds of info overload. Too many features, too many sites, too many strategies, too much of everything etc etc.
It seems like we're leaving a "more is better" world, and entering one where knowing how to focus is the game. Focusing involves throwing things away, not adding to the pile?
Your future is here Phil ? I?m already confused and had information overload right after I started looking to see how I could make money on the ?net. Focus, ah yes, I should be focusing right now on getting a page finished, that is the one thing that SBI can?t help me with. Now if you or Ken can just come up with auto-creation of unique content . . .
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Awesome! I used to be just a blowhard, but now I want to be pleonastic! I don't know what it means, but I love the ring it has..
Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 1322 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject:
Larry Chamberlain wrote:
Shame faced I have to admit that I have not yet used the autoresponders or newsletter features and that is something that I certainly should do.
I heard of some program that automatically sends your latest article to your subscribers, not even one extra click on your part. No need to be shame faced, or certainly do anything. Dang, I can't remember the name of that program though...
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Yes, you have a point, but sort of contrary to that I find having ?everything? inside SBI does give me ?ease of use?.
Yes, I understand, all in one is good. I like the SBI concept. But still, whatever the program, there's a limit to how many features is enough, and how many is too many.
Ha, my cell phone has 44 billion features all in one, but doesn't ring reliably. That's the world we're building.
To tweak the ringer, I have to wade through 44 billion menus I have no interest in. This is what I'm trying to avoid. Makes me quite grumpy, uh, grumpier.
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So, I?m tempted to say the most important feature to me is indeed ?ease of use?.
Ok, thank you. That sounds like a common outlook I need to keep clearly in mind. If a feature isn't obvious at first glance, it's probably going in the trash.
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Now if you or Ken can just come up with auto-creation of unique content . . .
Did that last week. The details are hidden in this post somewhere, let's have a treasure hunt!
Thanks again for your feedback Larry, it's very helpful. I find it quite difficult to both code a host entirely from scratch, and keep up on what everybody else is doing and feeling at the same time. Every little bit helps. _________________ Free Email Discussion Group For Your Site
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Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 1126 Location: London, England
Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject:
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I heard of some program that automatically sends your latest article to your subscribers, not even one extra click on your part. No need to be shame faced, or certainly do anything. Dang, I can't remember the name of that program though..
Sounds a pretty fair system, must be a Signature program
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Ha, my cell phone has 44 billion features all in one, but doesn't ring reliably. That's the world we're building.
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 205 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject:
Hi again Larry,
Well, I must admit, I've had user generated content on the brain in a big way recently. I think somebody put something in my drink!
There's a concept shift webmasters can take, from thinking of themselves as writers, to looking at themselves as publishers. Managing content, and contributors, instead of trying to do everything oneself.
Awhile back we had a thread about "Group Sites" where some number of webmasters create a site together, building something larger and better than any could build alone. This doesn't seem too realistic, given the highly independent nature of webmaster culture. I came to see that finally.
But building a community, that one person owns and controls, seems a pretty well traveled path, with great promise.
My current goal is too meet a lot of nice people, make a lot of friends, and give them the tools to help me create a 100,000 page site, which earns $1 per page per year.
$1 per page per year. Possible?
I really have no idea if/how this will work, but just trying to give an example of a mind shift in progress.
To keep this fair, if SBI has community building tools, why don't you tell us about them? I demand that you do in fact!
If they don't have community building tools, or you don't like them for some reason, I'd love to have you join my "community of communities" by starting one of your own.
Surely the two of us can find something we can argue about, on my site, and yours.
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 1126 Location: London, England
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject:
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To keep this fair, if SBI has community building tools, why don't you tell us about them? I demand that you do in fact!
A demand no less, okay that's a request I can't refuse.
Yes, SBI has Content2, an optional feature. Visitors can submit text and images from a form.
I do use it and have some success with it, although I'm sure I'd have more if I were a little more inventive and put in a little more effort.
Content2 comes with a comprehensive guide detailing many ways it can be used. Some SBIers have created their own MySpace type applications others have used Content2 to create forums.
Naturally it works better with some topics than others and Ken recommends using C2 after your SBI site is already attracting a fair number of visitors. The other recommendation is not to rely solely on C2 but to keep adding your own topic focused content.
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 205 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject:
Ok, thanks for the update Larry. You're our SBI reporter on the scene.
If you'd care to show us your Content2 site, or somebody else's, I'd be interested in learning more.
Traffic is surely helpful to getting things rolling, no doubt. I'm hoping to help our users with traffic, by presenting their groups side by side.
On the other hand, even a dozen people can have a great conversation, that generates a lot of fresh content, if they are engaged.
If a webmaster can attract just a dozen motivated reasonably informed people to a site, and give them a way to talk to each other, that might be enough to get the content ball rolling. _________________ http://discussion-for-you.com/
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 205 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:02 am Post subject:
Hi Larry,
Larry Chamberlain wrote:
Yes, I'm sure that a dozen is more than enough. Do you have any strategies to get them engaged?
Well, in the case of your site, I'd suggest naming one of your cats George Bush, and the other Britney Spears. Then, start rumors about them getting together, and when the kittens arrive, leak the photos to the press.
Seriously, engaging community visitors is an art for sure. Picking a hot topic that folks tend to be passionate about would seem to be a good start. Religion, politics, ***, the classics. Or some version thereof.
I guess the site owner's main job is probably filling the seats, so visitors will have somebody to engage with.
Posting is an art too of course. It seems one needs a holistic blend of various qualities.
Ego, presented with a smile. The real topic of most conversations is ego, imho. So, a poster can hopefully stir that pot, in way that doesn't alienate everybody.
It seems quite important to understand where the boundary line of the group consensus is. If a post is too much within the group consensus, it's boring. Too far beyond the group consensus, and nobody has any idea what you're talking about, or they just don't care. Find the boundary line, work it.
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What I am thinking of is the similarities with a forum. Nobody posts in an empty forum right
Right, yes, the chicken and egg problem. I'm working on that right now, so I hear ya.
As you can see visitors can comment on submissions. I always start the ball rolling by thanking the visitor for their story/image.
Looks good Larry, nice site, and seems like a good system. I've had one or more cats every day of my life I think. You've done a nice job with the site.
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You don't get Hemingway or Wordsworth but you do get content filled with long tail keywords, all useful in raising the boat.
Ya, I have a squirrel site, critter sites aren't generally hotbeds of intellectual discourse, which is cool.
Dunno. I must admit I'm losing interest in venues where anybody can type anything. It's hard to separate my own preferences from the market as a whole, but my instincts tell me moderation and editing is the next wave of Web 2.0.
Folks are gonna weary of wading through stranger's one liners before much longer I'd guess.
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 1126 Location: London, England
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject:
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Well, in the case of your site, I'd suggest naming one of your cats George Bush, and the other Britney Spears. Then, start rumors about them getting together, and when the kittens arrive, leak the photos to the press. Smile
Now that's thinking outside the litterbox
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Folks are gonna weary of wading through stranger's one liners before much longer I'd guess.
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