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ziggy
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 Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:50 am Post subject: Why is the JM forum so dead? |
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Whats up with this forum, I personally love how James makes sites. Why isn't there more talk about his method?
Does anybody know what James is doing know? Is there another forum on the net that discuss his methods?
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flexprimo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I asked a similar question several weeks ago and didn't get much response either.
I suspect most of the people who were once active here have moved on from the JM style site - there was some debate a few months ago about whether or not his methods still work.
I don't know of any other forums that discuss his methods. Maybe he should start one of his own for his "students" to interact with one another. |
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ziggy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| He should definitely start his own forum. I'm surprised for as long as he's been known he hasn't made one yet, he gots everything else the only thing thats missing is the forum. I would love a communtiy like that. |
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mattie
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:50 am Post subject: |
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his forum is dead because his method is dead. as far as i know james's method and it's long term effectiveness has always been under the spotlight.
now i have no time for james so i've never commented in this section of the forum before, but i'm not surprised to hear of his demise, all be it his forum! |
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flexprimo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| mattie wrote: | his forum is dead because his method is dead. as far as i know james's method and it's long term effectiveness has always been under the spotlight.
now i have no time for james so i've never commented in this section of the forum before, but i'm not surprised to hear of his demise, all be it his forum! |
I wonder whether the existence of this forum here on AP gave JM added credibility that may not have been warranted?
It was probably 2 years ago that I first came across his book and if I remember right, it was through this forum.
From what I've seen, that was right around the time a lot of people started to complain that his system didn't work, but because there was a dedicated forum for his system I thought it was more valuable than some others.
I've learned otherwise since then - his system never has worked for me (it may for others, but not for me) - but this forum is still here and no other affiliate training has it's own place here. I wonder how many people buy the JM book over someone else's because of that. |
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AllanGardyne
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Joined: 02 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| flexprimo wrote: | | I wonder whether the existence of this forum here on AP gave JM added credibility that may not have been warranted? |
Perhaps. We're strongly led by forum members' interests. We've created new forum sections as different topics become popular, and often as a result of members suggesting a new section.
Sometimes a member will suggest a new forum section and I'll ask how much interest there is in it.
At the time the James Martell section was started, there was a lot of discussion on the forum on his methods.
I think James made some very valuable observations, especially about directing PageRank - and visitors - to pages which created sales. I think James was the first person I learned this from.
| Quote: | | ...and no other affiliate training has it's own place here. |
You must have missed seeing the Site Built It section.
If you'd like to suggest new sections, please do so. If you do, please start a new topic, which will catch people's eyes, and we'll see what interest is shown.
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flexprimo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Allan,
I didn't mean to imply that there is some kind of bias here, just that because this forum exists it lends credibility to JM. Whether that's justified or not is a matter of opinion (and there is plenty of debate if you dig back in this forum  ).
| AllanGardyne wrote: | | You must have missed seeing the Site Built It section. |
I guess that's true. I wasn't really thinking of SBI along the same lines but I suppose it is. Lots of people who swear by it, others who swear at it.
I guess another difference between JM and many other systems is that he doesn't have his own forum where things can be discussed. Most other "systems" I've seen have some form of community of their own.
Regardless, activity in this particular forum certainly does seem to have dried up over the last few months. The SBI forum seems to keep on going, in spite of there being an official Sitesell forum. That says something to me about the longevity of SBI versus the JM method. |
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mattie
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Allan Gardyne wrote:
| Quote: | | Perhaps. We're strongly led by forum members' interests. We've created new forum sections as different topics become popular, and often as a result of members suggesting a new section. |
maybe the reason for such interest in JM, and even SBI on your forum is because you pormote them so hard on your website. there's rarely a page on the site that doesn't have a link to either JM or SBI.
but i know why you promote these resources so hard, because you (Allan) believe in them.
like i said before Allan, i trust you, i just don't trust some of the people you recommend!
my main concern is this celebrity status that has been given to a man whose methods seem to be obsolete. i won't take away the fact that he did alright for a while, but as one person said, there's more money to be had by writing about internet marketing, rather than doing it.
everytime i think about this, i always see an image of James Martell, the man who websites went down the pan, but for some reason still rides on this elavated status. my question is why?
it's like taking advice form someone who has 40 car dealerships that all went bust, and he's standing there giving you a lecture on how to sell cars. it beggers belief! |
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rocj6611
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: James Martell's Forum |
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Hello everyone,
I too have noticed that the JM forum has been lacking comments and suggestions. I assumed it was because people were working on their sites.
As far as I know James is still doing his audio newsletters, on and offline bootcamps and videos that can assist those who are interested.
Someone said that his sites went bust! Is there any truth or validity to that? |
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ziggy
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:28 am Post subject: Re: James Martell's Forum |
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| rocj6611 wrote: | | Someone said that his sites went bust! Is there any truth or validity to that? |
His 1st in series did atleast in google, I think it was like 70 sites, but thats becuase he used sneaky linking tactics that got him banned, he had really good sites that attracted traffic. I think he crossed linked all of his sites which got him banned. I sure hope thats not the reason people are saying his method doesn't work becuase his sites got banned in google, before his sneaky linking technique he was making bank with those sites.
If my mind serves me right (before his sites got banned) he posted on this forum that his income had a %400 or %500 increase in income when he added adsense, before adsense I think he said he was only making $20,000 a month from his sites, do the math, $80,000-$100,000 a month he was making using his method. People need to stop saying his method doesn't work becuase he got his sites banned from google and they need to stop saying his method also doesn't work becuase he doesn't show anymore of his new sites, I've seen several of his new sites still using his method. A James Martell site with the right promotion will be a successful one. |
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rocj6611
Joined: 03 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Yes Ziggy,
I agree with you. If people are still referencing when his sites were banned from Google...that's old news. And from listening to his online "Buzz", he still seems to be doing well with his newest sites. He has changed some of his techniques since his first book came out in (was it 2002)? The changes seem to be in line with what I hear from other successful affiliate publishers . Build a site with quality oontent. I have 2 sites built according to the Martell Method, but had to let them go due to an illness in my family. But now I am ready to get back on board, I am reworking my sites keywords (still a confusing issue)....but hopefully they will both be ready by January.
Thanks for the reply |
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jenyfari
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
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The problem with the negativity surrounding James Martell is that it is generally given by people who have seen what happened to him back when some of his sites got banned and they haven't gotten past it.
I bought the manual back in 2003 and I am still a fan of James Martell but that is only because I have kept up-to-date with his teachings. In other words, I have bought the updated manuals and attended the bootcamp and listened to his affiliate buzz.
He has made mistakes in the past but he always learns from them and lets his students know. He is so willing to teach and experiment and give away all his secrets but what he gets in return from a good majority are negative comments. And I can tell you that a good majority of those negative comments will have come from those who have never even bought the manual.
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mattie
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: |
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the problem is the same problem you get with alot of internet marketing guru's, people promoting material that they haven't a clue about, take SBI as a big example of this. people are willing to jump on the 'what's hot' bandwagon to make a quick buck.
i suppose in hindsight James has at least been honest and upfront about his demise, and he must be given full credit for that, but i have read his 'some' of his new stuff, and although it's not bad, i personally wouldn't recommend it.
just my point of view! |
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flexprimo
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| mattie wrote: | the problem is the same problem you get with alot of internet marketing guru's, people promoting material that they haven't a clue about, take SBI as a big example of this. people are willing to jump on the 'what's hot' bandwagon to make a quick buck.
i suppose in hindsight James has at least been honest and upfront about his demise, and he must be given full credit for that, but i have read his 'some' of his new stuff, and although it's not bad, i personally wouldn't recommend it.
just my point of view! |
I think it goes beyond the "what's hot" issue. Too many people wait for these so-called "gurus" to tell them what their next step should be.
To be successful, you need to be able to move ahead on your own. Study different methods, decide what works for you and what doesn't, and gradually create your own "system".
I don't think there's anything wrong with starting out by studying a particular method, whether JM, SBI, or something else. But as soon as you start waiting for them to spoon feed the next step to you, you're limiting your growth considerably.
I think that can be seen in many of the posts here - lots of people who have posted in the various discussions seem to feel that JM is holding something back from them. Whether he is or not shouldn't really matter.
The key to success is not having to worry about what he does next - it's having to worry about what YOU should do next. I've long since moved on from the JM method. I still use some of the things I learned from his book, but I've taken things from other places and created a system that works for me.
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BobShark
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I bought the manual back in 2003 and I am still a fan of James Martell but that is only because I have kept up-to-date with his teachings. In other words, I have bought the updated manuals and attended the bootcamp and listened to his affiliate buzz.
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