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AllanGardyne · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:55 am Post subject:

Cora, I know you'e frustrated, but please don't quote at length from someone else's marketing. I deleted most of Charles Ryder's email that you posted.

He wrote them. They're his words. He automatically owns the copyright. You don't. We don't.
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vondi · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 3 Location: Germany

it saved me 97 $ which i wanted to pay for the "great" listbuilder-tool, smile...
i deleted my subscriptions to all his newsletters.

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bruce7872 · Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 4 Location: IL

Hello again everybody,

I said I wasn't going to post any further comments but I do have one more thing to say that may help alot of people out. I was refunded but not by Charles Ryder or Dianne Sullivan. I just went through my credit card and it was taken care of. I guess you call it a charge-back which from what I understand the people you get the charge-back from really don't like that at all. Kind of like a forced refund you might say. What ever the case I certainly feel much better now and have gotten on with my search for "financial security".

Goodbye everyone and good luck!

Chris Demetrios · Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject:

rritoch · Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 1

After investigating their services, before sending any money, I had a good idea of what was going on, and you confirmed it. I requested to be removed from justins mailing lists and he continued to spam me using offsore mailing services. Well, if thats how he wants to run his business, then he should deal with the consequences. I submitted a complaint to the FTC, and if you have been wronged by Justin Blake, you should do the same. Here is the complaint form I used.

https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

There may be more appropriate forms for your spacific complaint, but what he is doing appears to be covered by racketeering laws, seeing MLM, and fraud are illegal.
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emiko · Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Kuala Lumpur

Hi All,
I am in the same boat too. I signed up for UOIM but never can log in in the members area neither online support. Emailed UOIM numerous times but to no avail. By the third day I emailed them to cancel my subscription and obviously there was no reply either.

Now after 30 days passed, I have been billed for another $47. OMG, how can I stopped this madness? Hope you guys can help. Perhaps someone can give me a working email address of UOIM or something.

Calling them over the phone is not going to worth it as I am living in Asia.

Thank you.

AllanGardyne · Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject:

divtech · Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 3

I was also refunded by going through my bank.
-Rob

KirkMcD · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 4

wealthcreation · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 2

I was going through some old emails and found a link to the IncredibleSystem.com. I was looking for a "system" that was step by step that taught along the way.

To me anyway, it looked like an educational system. I didn't need another program to promote or some more places to advertise. Not for that kind of money.

I did what I normally do now before I jump at a new Internet Marketing product, I typed into google "review of IncredibleSystem".

This forum showed up about 5 or 6 in the results and it was worth reading all the comments. It may well be a good product to add if you are looking to promote something. I don't know.

Anyway, thanks for the posts.

Alan
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wynta32 · Joined: 18 Nov 2006 Posts: 1 Location: South Africa

There are far too many dishonest marketers operating on the internet.
JB's 90-day ironclad guarantee smacks of blatant dishonesty and nothing short of that.
I for one have been "caught" twice by them and I cannot believe that this has happened to me.
Unfortunately I do not read the fine print - all I saw was the 90 day ironclad guarantee offered by them and not that you first have to use the program for 90 days. Evil or Very Mad

Why? and Why quibble when one cancels and then offer all sorts of excuses. Not unlike a charlatan! When I tried canceling the first time I met up with a lot of flack. Lo and behold if I do not join them again! Why because they fly different flags - that is why. The second time I joined the University...What a joke!
Their support system is also not a straight-forward issue. If the customer is unhappy -why not return his money like other marketers do. Why all the excuses and arguments. If this is not questionable then I do not know what is. What has the customer gained for his money? Rudeness yes! What possible reason is there that you should not return his money? - absolutely nothing concrete. If there are bonuses involved then most of it on the internet is rehashed rubbish!
Jb should adopt the skull and cross-bones for his logo!
I would suggest that he take a leaf out of Dr Ken Evoy's book regarding customer relationships, because Mr Blake and crew you have none and are sadly lacking in business ethics. By withholding customers refunds that they should be entitled to is stealing! in my book.
Like the Good Book says "pay what is owing to Caesar" By withholding refunds and offering such lame excuses is dishonest. No matter how much you try to justify it.
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emiko · Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Kuala Lumpur

Hi,
My credit card bank is not that helpful. They asked me to deal direct with JB which I hopelessly did.

And mastercard won't handle my complaint direct with them either.

Assuming my bank accepted to do chargeback, what about the following subscription months. I will have to request chargebacks all the time. What a waste of time!

I am going to write a snailmail to JB using the address I saw in this forum. I hope it works.

This has been a very unpleasant experience!
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justal · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 1 Location: UK

Just to add my twopenneth as no matter how many cancellation or follow-up messages are sent to every possible address, there is no reply! (oh, there was a phone call asking if I had around $16000 dollars to invest in some sort of mentoring, so actually there has been contact but they were told to go fly a kite in a dark place, sideways) oooh, that was a bit rude wasn't it?
Anyone who takes money from me without permission is a thief, plain and simple. JB Virtual Enterprises Inc have been taking my money (via credit card) regularly since cancellation last September. My bank has refunded most of the withdrawals and charged back each time but it continues. The bank is now taking some stronger actions but I won't hold my breath?
What words can you use that will affect these creeps and the people they employ to verbally diarrhoea for them. There are no words as they would consider themselves to be 'well clever', a cut above the average no doubt. Well, guys and gals, you are clever (in a parasitic way) but you are still thieves and we normal(ish) stupid and accepting punters are prime targets and we have to accept that your type exist in our real & virtual world. All we can do is learn and whenever possible philosophically practice needle/effigy insertion into painful places, hoping one day to get the opportunity to do it real-time.

DO NOT GO NEAR THESE PEOPLE-YOU DO NOT NEED THE ADDED STRESS IN YOUR LIFE.
Happy Christmas To All (even the smugs and apologists)
Justal

quick-tech · Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 7 Location: CT

quick-tech · Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Posts: 7 Location: CT

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