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Fred Mercury
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:27 pm
Post subject: cheap-computers-guide.com links
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Hi allan,
Very glad that u are getting better. I dont expect u to answer this,Im sure there are plentry of others that can and will
the links page of Cheap-computers-guide.com has links to some very high profile sites such as Toms hardware Guide, Xbit Laboratories etc, those sites in turn dont have links back to Cheap-computers-guide.com.
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1) Is there an advantage in linking to high profile sites, if they dont link in return? if i link to amazon.com will i get better search engine rankings ad results?
2) Cheap-computers-guide.com maintains number 1 consistently under the search term" cheap computers" in google, and doesnt have many links to external sites, so do links make any difference when it comes to search engine rankings?
3) How does Cheap-computers-guide.com hold onto its top spot in google so consistently ?
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Sean Burns
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:40 pm
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Hi Fred
| Quote: | 1) Is there an advantage in linking to high profile sites, if they dont link in return? if i link to amazon.com will i get better search engine rankings ad results?
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It won't help rankings on Google. In the past, it possibly helped with Inktomi but I don't think that's the case anymore. It possibly helps with Teoma.
| Quote: | 2) Cheap-computers-guide.com maintains number 1 consistently under the search term" cheap computers" in google, and doesnt have many links to external sites, so do links make any difference when it comes to search engine rankings?
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That site has quite a few valuable incoming links - most notably from Yahoo and DMOZ. That's why it ranks so well.
| Quote: | 3) How does Cheap-computers-guide.com hold onto its top spot in google so consistently ?
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It's got a PR of 6 and I would imagine that most of the incoming links use the Anchor Text "Cheap Computers Guide".
Hope that helps.
Cheers
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Rupert
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:58 pm
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No one outside the research labs at Google can really say for certain what does and what does not affect their rating for your site.
I have a feeling that Google would appreciate seeing links to useful sites when they spider. That's why I always link to the authorities on the topic my site is on.
You're providing a good resource for your visitors and it helps your relevancy if you link to highly rated sites with a similar theme.
It may not help your rankings but is there any good reason not to link other good sites? _________________ Rupert - AssociatePrograms.com
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This Link Directory May Change Your Affiliate Business
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Mike Long
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:06 pm
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Hi Sean,
Since you mention having your primary keyword as anchor text for your incoming link (and you talked about it in your book), I had a quick question regarding this.
Does the link need to include *only* the anchor text, or can the link include my company name AND the anchor text.
For example:
If I had a dog site called All-Dogs.com and my anchor text (keyphrase) was "dog training", would I be penalized for asking the other site to link me as "All-Dogs.com - Dog Training", or would I specifically ask them to link only to the term "Dog Training"?
I would greatly appreciate any insight you or anyone else might have on this.
Thanks very much!
~Mike _________________ Providing useful, helpful articles for 150 lucky people since October 2005
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HorseMan
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:25 pm
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Mike,
From the little I know it is better to get "Dog Training" than "Dog Training - All-Dogs.com" if your main focus is on that keyword alone.
This is the same as with the Tittle. The more % that is your Keyprhase the more google will love you.
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Mike Long
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:01 pm
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Thanks Horseman!
I had a hunch that was the case!
I'm curious though how people ask specifically for the link to be in their anchor text, when I see lots of links page that simply list the company name or website in the link, in alphabetical order like this:
Precision Resumes - Electronic Resume Service
Even though what I would want linked is "electronic resume service".
Incoming links are one of the last pieces of the puzzle for me. Once I can wrap my pea-brain around this, I'll be in really good shape.
~Mike
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HorseMan
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 10:19 pm
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I have to admit gettting links is not really my specialty (actually nothing really is, I am just a horseman ).
I usually make few sites around the subject I am focusing on, and that way have more control over the whole situation.
Now it is also an issue that many webmasters and directories try to steal our PR by hiding the links in Javascript or Frames, so we wont benefit from them.
However, when I ask for a link I usually provide the whole HTML code i.e.
<A http://www.cnn.com title="News to day">News To Day</A> <br>description
Many webmasters are glad not having to edit this them self. And this increases the posibility of the right keywords.
When sumitting for Open Directory, or other good directories. Try to have the summision that good that the editors won't change a thing. Because a little change can f++k everything up.
But like I sayd, building few good sites around my main site has worked pretty good for me. Most of my sites have less than ten outsiders link to them.
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AllanGardyne
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:40 pm
Post subject: Re: cheap-computers-guide.com links
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First, I want to say that I'm NOT an expert on search engines, although I do get most of my traffic from search engines. If you want to discover what the experts think, I recommend Stephen Mahaney's Planet Ocean company - they're real specialists at this stuff - http://www.searchenginehelp.com . I recommend both the book and the monthly newsletter.
The most important thing is results, not often-repeated theories.
With that in mind, here's my thinking...
| Fred Mercury wrote: | | the links page of Cheap-computers-guide.com has links to some very high profile sites such as Toms hardware Guide ... Is there an advantage in linking to high profile sites, if they dont link in return? |
Many people will tell you that such linking bleeds off PageRank from your site and does you harm. They may be right.
However, according to one of Mike Grehan's newsletters, in which he interviewed someone from one of the search engines, search engines look at the "community" of web sites to which a site belongs. If you link to junky sites, you're sending the engines a clear message.
It seems to me that if you link to really good sites, you're sending the opposite message. You're saying, "Hey, I belong right up there." Better still, of course, if those sites link back.
| Quote: | | Cheap-computers-guide.com maintains number 1 consistently under the search term" cheap computers" in google, and doesnt have many links to external sites, so do links make any difference when it comes to search engine rankings? |
Absolutely! The more high quality links the better. Other factors are also involved, such as on-page optimization, internal links and good site structure. You need to try to get everything right.
| Quote: | | How does Cheap-computers-guide.com hold onto its top spot in google so consistently? |
I imagine it will be beaten one day, perhaps by someone who does it just to prove he can. It's an experimental site, which Rupert spends very little time on now.
The site owes a great deal of its success to the fact that it was created using Site Build It! and that Rupert, with encouragement from me, studied the 600-page manual that comes with SBI and carefully followed its instructions. It's surprising how many people initially get SBI and then don't follow the instructions.
Hope that helps more than it confuses.
Allan Gardyne - AssociatePrograms.com
http://www.AssociatePrograms.com
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Charlie
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:19 pm
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| HorseMan wrote: | From the little I know it is better to get "Dog Training" than "Dog Training - All-Dogs.com" if your main focus is on that keyword alone.
This is the same as with the Tittle. The more % that is your Keyprhase the more google will love you. |
See this thread...
http://associateprograms.com/discus/viewtopic.php?p=6368#6368
Just a thought,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
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HorseMan
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:50 pm
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This does not really make any sence
If you are targeting "Dog Training" and your site is about dogs. Then it would be really normal to use "Dog Training" for all the internal links to that catagory.
I do not think Google will bann you for that.
In your external links it is also normal to have similar or same ancor text in most of your links. Most people who ask for a link will provide the Title text.
This is edpecially true if this is also the Title of your site.
BTW Allan , good to see you up and running on the board again. Now we all have to strech our fingers, because you will be outwriting us all in no time.
Thanks for a great issue of your Newsletter.
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Charlie
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:03 pm
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| HorseMan wrote: | | This does not really make any sence |
I think it does once you consider the extreme levels some SEOs go to manipulating any perceived aspect of the Google algo. If you believe Planet Ocean, Google are applying a slight penalty to sites that have consistently perfect anchor text (amongst other things).
| Quote: | | If you are targeting "Dog Training" and your site is about dogs. Then it would be really normal to use "Dog Training" for all the internal links to that catagory. |
It certainly would. And no one's saying Google are penalising good anchor text in general. PO are talking about sites where all links use the exact primary phrase as the anchor text.
| Quote: | | I do not think Google will bann you for that. |
No one mentioned banning. Just the possibility of a slight penalty.
| Quote: | In your external links it is also normal to have similar or same ancor text in most of your links. Most people who ask for a link will provide the Title text.
This is edpecially true if this is also the Title of your site. |
Very true. But as I said, they were talking about extreme "perfect cases", not consistent good practise in general.
I should take a look at Planet Ocean if you're serious about SEO. Beats the "rumour mill" in the forums, any day.
Cheers,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
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