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therealshari
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:18 pm
Post subject: Hello from Shari of "AskShari.com"
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Hello y'all,
Wow, I've been online for a long time and have just now tripped over this neat forum.
Ok, I'll be honest, I'm here to do at least two things.
1. I'll do what I can to offer my expertise. Yes, I earn my living from home both as an affiliate and as a successful e-book author.
2. I'm seriously exposing people to some radical advertising concepts. No, they're not free... but are certainly very affordable. What's really neat is that those who come on board now, will get huge discounts, first mover's advantages, etc. as the entire concept comes of age.
Ok, time for me to become useful,
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Declan OReilly
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:18 pm
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| therealshari wrote: | ...Wow, I've been online for a long time and have just now tripped over this neat forum..
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You must be behind the times...
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I'm seriously exposing people to some radical advertising concepts. No, they're not free... but are certainly very affordable. What's really neat is that those who come on board now, will get huge discounts, first mover's advantages, etc. as the entire concept comes of age. |
Selling pixels on 'Million Dollar Homepage' copycat sites is so yesterday!
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Ken Regie
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:08 pm
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Selling pixels on 'Million Dollar Homepage' copycat sites is so yesterday! |
Ouch!
......True though.
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therealshari
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:22 pm
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Thanks for your kind welcome.
I'm always amazed at the myopia which occurs among those who think they know the most.
While, y'all may think this is all so "yesterday"... may I remind you that until there is some other method of display, we're all doing some form of "pixel advertising" from banners, to Adwords... even to every single sales letter you produce.
Oh, and I don't make it a point of hanging out in forums just to exercise using mental gymnastics.
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Declan OReilly
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:44 pm
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| therealshari wrote: | | While, y'all may think this is all so "yesterday"... may I remind you that until there is some other method of display, we're all doing some form of "pixel advertising" from banners, to Adwords... even to every single sales letter you produce. |
Who is using mental gymnastics now.
May I remind you of...
| therealshari wrote: | | I'm seriously exposing people to some radical advertising concepts. No, they're not free... but are certainly very affordable. |
I don't want to sound like I am having a go at you but I have heard this kind of hype before. I didn't come down in the last shower.
I derive all my income from online marketing. I don't advertise and I don't need to resort to 'here today...gone tomorrow' gimmicks or radical advertising concepts as you refer to them.
The issue of copycat sites like your has been discussed at length below.
http://www.associateprograms.com/discus/ftopic13129.html
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therealshari
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:14 pm
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FYI, I also earn my full time living from home, working on the Internet.
Sorry if I suddenly invaded your territory.
I do find it strange that I'm greeted only by folks who choose to treat me as if I don't belong here.
Could it be that the others have been cowed into believing that you guys are the only real marketers?
I checked out the other thread and chose not to bring it back to life at this time. In time, I will revive that other thread with pertinent information.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:54 pm
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| therealshari wrote: | | Sorry if I suddenly invaded your territory. |
You're welcome here. I hope you won't be scared off by two or three people out of about 7,000 forum members.
It's always interesting when someone joins who is using techniques we aren't.
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Declan OReilly
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:07 pm
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| therealshari wrote: | | I do find it strange that I'm greeted only by folks who choose to treat me as if I don't belong here. |
Shari - Lets start at the beginning.
Everyone is welcome here.
Maybe I got a wrong impression about you at first.
As a general rule people whose first posts are blatant self promotion are not usually here to learn or to make friends.
You sound like you have some interesting concepts and a unique perspective on marketing and I would be interested in finding out what that is.
Marketing is really like having a conversation. Sometimes those who shout the loudest don't always get heard.
Welcome to the forum.
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therealshari
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:33 pm
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Hello guys,
Hey, no problem. I don't back down easily.
The challenge will be for me to introduce alternate concepts, different ways of looking at a problem... the off-beat solutions, etc.
If there's one thing I've found true about the Internet is that just because "it didn't work yesterday" or "with this clientele", doesn't mean it won't work for someone else.
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Declan OReilly
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:39 am
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Hey Shari,
Thats what I like to see. Fightin' spirit!
We all know the story of Colonel Saunders. He had a recipe and an idea. He was rejected by a thousand people trying to sell his idea. He could have given up at the first or 3rd or 50th rejection. He kept going. He saw each rejection as a result. He believed in his idea.
You can either see it as criticism and rejection or FEEDBACK!
All the best!
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therealshari
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:48 pm
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Hi Declan,
I've addressed this topic just yesterday at my personal blog... and no, this is not an ad.
I use my personal blog to discuss issues surrounding the things I do so others may see how things come together, or how they fall apart. Hopefully I won't run afoul by providing a link to my blog.
Over the years, I've been one of those folks who refused to get her shorts all tangled over gaining top rankings in search engines by making sure I was doing everything according to how some spider wanted to see my site.
That's not to say I haven't paid attention to the proper techniques of title tags, meta tags, description tags, and creative use of alt tags.
It is to say that I've always felt content to be king on the main web site.
Beyond that, ways to gain linking has always been subject to interpretations. There have been link farms, banner farms, paid link exchanges... constant submissions to every little search engine, classified ad page, and yes... the dreaded FFA's.
Then there have been the traffic exchanges. We don't have time here to do that discussion justice.
My point is that once you've created your site, you MUST find every way possible to get the word out. Of course, when you have a clear, concise message, that's even better.
Consider this, when was the last time you actually found a McDonald's Cheeseburger on a bus... and yet that's one of their most effective campaigns.
The point is that you see the ad, and it plants the seed in your brain, so when you're hungry, you think cheeseburger... and then McDonalds.
When I work with an advertising agency, such as JPE Advertising, I have to use a different mindset. They know how to do advertising... As for me, my job is to do the marketing... the getting you to look at the bus.
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deadlyminds
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hi shari, nice to see u discussing some radical advertising tactics, visited ur site was neat....even though these new advertising have evolved, those old in-text links have been and still are a major source of income to any webmaster, not to mention plain text-affliate links.
Advertisers , especially in the internet world have realized , that there is no place for banner adverstising which are often ignored by many , new methods are coming up, few of which are becoming successflu. But i largely believe huge online companies have benefited more from offline ads and affiliate marketing than from direct online marketing.
From a customer point of view, these pixel ads mean nothing, I believed that when a person comes looking for information, and all he finds is a huge page with lot of mesmerizing and tiny banners , he may click it once or twice out of pure cuiriosity until he completely gets used to it..
any way this kind of advertising has benefitted more the inventor of pixel advertising for his novel idea but presents little to the potential consumer.
Don't you think this is just a make money while it lasts kind of a thing..
Even minisites have to reinvent themselves with all thier one page site with a flowing page with yellow highlights...definitely change needed..
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asianlunatic
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:12 am
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asianlunatic agrees,
in dealing on a pixel site, you virtually are posting ineffective campaigning.
It helps the owner of the site, but thats all about it!
Good Point raised by deadlyminds 
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therealshari
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 6:34 pm
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Gentlemen,
Things you've perhaps not considered. There is much more that goes on with a pixel ad site than having people post their ads and be "forever done".
While Alex has been promoting mostly for himself, and his uni education bill, he also has driven huge numbers of visitors to the the site, and those visitors have clicked on ads, and have purchased products and services. I am advertising on his site and have paid for my ad many times over already. My ad continues to get clicks and people are continuing to opt into my mailing list.
As a pixel site co-owner, I can tell you that we work very hard on behalf of our clients. That is why they pay us. Our clients expect traffic, which converts to clicks. Once someone lands on an advertisers site, it becomes the advertisers responsibility to complete the action, whether it's a signup or a sale.
Responsible site owners provide stats (some made public) and encourage the use of click tracking software to further help the advertisers.
I track most everything I do, from link exchanging, to adwords, to sig files, etc. I can tell you that I have NEVER received as sale that I can track directly to a link exchange. Traffic yes, although it's minimal. Link exchanging has helped me with search engine positioning, but not with direct, measurable sales.
Traffic continues to increase for the great majority of pixel ad sites. Using the Alexa rankings, over 30 of the sites are in the top 100K and another 80 are in the top 1M and climbing. At last analysis, 15 have lost traffic and 7 sites couldn't be found although they are still receiving increasing visits.
Google has begun awarding page rank as the sites have passed the 60 day age test. Alex's site has a PR7 and several have PR5 and below. What puzzles me though is that I am seeing sites with PR5 which have zero ads posted. They're not particularly complete sites. Some have blogs with not much activity, and others have a single ad which links to a high PR site.
As this ad form evolves, look for it to move away from main pages with strictly ads. If you look at the interior pages on our site at PixelsAnyone, you'll see we have developed sidebars for the ads with content in the middle. While analyising several sites, I've noticed others are picking up on that trend.
In the end, what we've done is shrunk the button from 88x31 to still another size. With a catchy alt tag, we draw interest and work to create the click.
Watch for a lot of interesting things as advertisers work with clients to monetize sites in ways that are not "in your face" or offensive to people who go to pages for information.
The web is about information, and people who offer information deserve to get paid... Google, Yahoo, and MSN said so...
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