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Thinker
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:09 am
Post subject: What is James Martell's REAL linking strategy?
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Everyone knows links are important.
James talks about the importance of "quality links" he talks about link partners and PAD but what does he actually do? Probably none of these things.
Will "quality sites" in your niche link to a Martell style site? I doubt it. Will "quality sites" in your niche want your PAD articles? I doubt it.
This is a current Martell site, by current site I mean that he is still updating this site and articles have been added to this site in the last few weeks: http://www.baby-gear-n-gifts.com/. Check out Alexa site info to confirm that this is James Martell's site.
Look at the two resources pages on this site http://www.baby-gear-n-gifts.com/links_1.html and http://www.baby-gear-n-gifts.com/links_2.html and you will notice that the top few links are genuine outgoing links on the first page. These are followed by a list of pending links and then near the bottom of the pages are some internal links to the articles on his site. The second page seems to have one genuine link on it. Not exactly as described in his manual, updates or Buzz. In fact, not even close.
Now look at some of the sites that link to the site:
"furniture.wino.com/nursery-furniture"
"www.siceroom.com/babyroomdecorations"
"www.looksmartparents.com/p/ search?qt=Decorating+Nursery&sb=web
underbeddressercla.sakedresser.com/dressers"
"www.g8ga.info/dir/Shopping/Clothing/him_clothing"
"www.mattressess.co.uk/babymattress"
"www.businessplexus.com/index.php?p=d
cheapdresser.sakedresser.com/rumbletuff"
"www.onestop-directory.com/Children/Baby/index.php"
"www.masterfitnesscenter.com/joggingstrollers/
careerseeker.biz/cgi-bin/ pseek/rateit.cgi?id=5320&cid=87"
"1digitalsolution.com/Family.html"
"www.thomasevents.ca/html/Gifts"
"www.onestop-directory.com/new/2005-10-30.php"
"trustsmadeasy.com/revocablelivingtrusts"
"gamesandtoys.biz/html/Other_ Interesting_Websites/Shopping"
"www.uncoverthenet.com/search/?q=baby%20swings"
"www.breastfeedingnews.com/babies"
"www.directory-link.info/top/search=product"
"www.bugsonline.de/82968-babytrendstrollers.html"
The majority of these sites are directory sites. They are not "quality sites", the links are not reciprocal links and none of these links seem to come from PAD articles.
I know all the Martell defenders will say he is entitled to experiment, he is always testing, he doesn't have to tell his students what he is up to etc, etc.
Maybe loads of low quality links will be the next big thing.
[If these are low quality sites, we don't want to link to them. I've placed quotes around the URLs to unhyperlink them. Allan Gardyne, Admin.] |
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robertb
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:56 am
Post subject: Re: What is James Martell's REAL linking strategy?
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| Thinker wrote: |
James talks about the importance of "quality links" he talks about link partners and PAD but what does he actually do? Probably none of these things. |
I've met him personally and assure you that the PAD method is all he concentrates on, for the most part. He does dabble in other methods of getting inbound links, but not to what you reference, I assure you.
| Quote: | | Will "quality sites" in your niche link to a Martell style site? I doubt it. Will "quality sites" in your niche want your PAD articles? I doubt it. |
I've had both articles and links posted on quality site to my Martell style sites. It's all how you present them and the content. I'd bet you'd agree that baby site is much better quality than his previous 1st-in sites. One of his other new big sites is even linked to from DMOZ. Maybe it's your Martell sites that are the problem? That, or you haven't built any yourself maybe?
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This is a current Martell site, by current site I mean that he is still updating this site and articles have been added to this site in the last few weeks: |
All of his site's are "current" then. He's adding new articles to all of his sites at least every week, many everyday.
| Quote: | | The majority of these sites are directory sites. They are not "quality sites", the links are not reciprocal links and none of these links seem to come from PAD articles. |
You said it yourself, they're directory type sites. I have them linking to my sites as well, completely unsolicited. There's directory generating scripts you can buy to generate sites like that. Martell doesn't have anything to do with those links being there.
| Quote: | | I know all the Martell defenders will say he is entitled to experiment, he is always testing, he doesn't have to tell his students what he is up to etc, etc. . |
It's just a matter of you having your facts wrong about his linking strategy. 
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:05 am
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Quote: "It's just a matter of you having your facts wrong about his linking strategy."
At least I did present some facts complete with URL's.
Show me the URL's for the PAD's and quality links pointing to this site? |
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:43 pm
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| Thinker wrote: |
Show me the URL's for the PAD's and quality links pointing to this site? |
Confirm that you received the PM with a PAD article on a PR 3 page.
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nyfalcon
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:40 pm
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The first thing that pops into my head is with the time you took to post this you could of put 10 more pages on your site!
All those sites are generated by some sort of scraping software. Could be the same thing that I am using to distribute content on my site using a rss feed. ( I like to experiment also )
I have all those sites linking to my sites also, not much you can do about who links to you and the search engines know this.
Another thing that you should not be bothered looking at is any martell type sites resources pages as I am sure he is like me and doing one way links at this point. Recip linking is dead according to me.
Thanks for sharing the site it is good to see when james makes a mistake on a few pages. Now I can check out how long it takes him to figure it out. |
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BobShark
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:08 am
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| Quote: | | I've met him personally and assure you that the PAD method is all he concentrates on, for the most part. He does dabble in other methods of getting inbound links, but not to what you reference, I assure you |
Argh! I close my eyes and cringe to read this. RobertB, you can be assured that he does not practice what he preaches. James himself could not assure anyone of his tactics. Other than that he has you mesmerized. But it's encouraging to see that you are so assured after meeting him. How can you meet someone and make such claims?
These arguments are being wielded with blistering ineffectiveness. Read the valid concerns of those who have invested a great deal of money in his book (and buzz?). What is their reply? Go write more articles? Be respectful of intelligent questions and evidence which do not deserve to be dismissed. |
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cruthin
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:45 am
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Hello BobShark,
Interesting to note that there is just a 60 day guarantee on the manual.
I thought it might have been longer since new buyers will take some months to see any return on their efforts...
Even if you are beyond 60 days, have you considered asking him for a refund based on the issues you have posted here with his methods?
Might be worth a shot if you give him real feedback from an unhappy customer.
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robertb
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:03 pm
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| BobShark wrote: |
How can you meet someone and make such claims? |
My point was that I know him and his strategies better than the average Buzz subscriber/purchaser and most people on here. I'ved studied his book, listending to his Buzz, discussed his methods with him face to face ( Sept. 05), and we've emailed each other a couple times since then.
A lot more can be learned about someone's credibility/personality with a face to face meeting rather than just a digital relationship.
There's no guarantee the he or anyone will follow any method to the T. No one's obligated to anyone else.
Back to the issue at hand: this entire post got started based on someone believing that directory generator links to James' sites were his own doing and IBL strategy. As the posts clarify above, this was largely off base. As for the PAD technique, I emailed Thinker some examples of James having articles distributed that have a PR of 3.
Even if someone wants to still argue that James doesn't do a lot of PAD distribution, the truth is it doesn't matter if he does it or not. Article distribution works and it's been around before James stumbled apon it. But that's not to say James can't do any link exchanges or PPC either, it's his business.
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