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sdr
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:39 am
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If you are looking at 1-2 sites a month you will be heartbroken. If you are wanting to write home to mom and show your work she will not be proud. If you want that then you need to do what Allan is talkin about. |
Sure. That's why you outsource.
I outsource content creation for "honest" sites. Now that I know thesaurization works, I'll outsource that as well.
So what if it takes several hours to create an AIS site, as long as I'm not the one putting in those several hours. You put multiple people on the job so that you can produce a sufficient number of sites in a given timeframe.
I can assure you that without outsourcing, no one will be proud of my earnings even if I build real content sites! I'm way too lazy to do this sort of thing all by myself.
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Thanks San. That means Article Bot and Wordtracker full year membership will cost around 600 + 250 = $ 850. Plus hosting and domain charges. Will I need any other thing for automation? Please reply.
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If you're on a budget, there's no need to take a year's subscription to WT. If you take a one day subscription, you can research multiple niches during that time. I think they used to give you 48 hours time...not sure if that's still true now.
I guess you can get by without too much else.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:53 am
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Hello again...
| Jscott wrote: | | I would note, however, that I do not want a web that is totally enhanced nor elite. I want a wild west web where money does not buy you a game at the table. |
Well, you're probably in luck. Too many outlaws, not enough marshalls. Phew - and the territory to cover...
But my crusade is to prevent more pioneers turning into outlaws because they end up buying guns and masks instead of picks and shovels...
Perhaps that's why they say "selling tools to goldminers" rather than "weapons to outlaws". 
Anyway, before The Wild West goes west...
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Imagine a shopping centre (mall) where ever more shops used tactics that put off shoppers, so that in the end, no shoppers visited at all, so all the shops lost out. |
I don't think that metaphor works with the net. I could be wrong. |
Not with the web as a whole, but how about the SERPs in particular?
| Quote: | | Quote: | I think I understand your "PHP/SSI" philosophy, and that's all well and good. But surely it depends what you are including. Where does the content come from and how is it selected?
Using good content management is very different from scraping. |
You are joining two different posts. What I replied to Allan about was my own tool that takes "quality and original" writing and scales it. I think I stated where it came from and how it was pulled. |
Yes, in a sleepy sort of way, but I was trying to draw intention to the differentiation between automation as a means of improving efficiency as opposed to automation as a spammer's weapon. (I realise it's another relative quagmire.)
For many people, doing anything quickly and easily is the main priority. But when you're starting out, I think it's important to find something that actually works, before you start spreading it far and wide at the drop of a hat.
| Quote: | | I also was "encouraged" to take a roid test because of a contest when "experts" said what I did was impossible. Friggin experts. |
There's probably a forum about it somewhere in the West...
| Quote: | | I missed your knee reference though. Drat it! |
So did I. These days, it's knees bend... paper tears. It might not hurt, but I don't like the sound of it. 
| Phil Tanny wrote: | | So long as we have automated SERPs, the SEO games will continue, and the relevancy of SERP's, and the Web's appeal to the buying public, will remain in doubt. |
I can't imagine a West without automated SERPs. I see it much as a parallel with society, in general...
Civilisation relies not on the absence of wrong doing, but on the fact that the majority of people behave appropriately (even if they know they probably wouldn't get caught). Think critical mass and tilting point. Just look at the recent trouble in France.
This is why I think it's so important that netizens (or whatever you like to call them) are encouraged to go this route. These automation tools are very tempting. But most people are better off learning to shoot with a pistol, not a gatling gun.
Cheers,
Charlie.
P.S. | Jscott wrote: | | Sheez. Not sure if I have the "awakeness" (oh how fun that could be off a spin of awareness) for this but lets play. |
There's absolutely no room in this forum for people who need to explain their jokes...
We're choc-a-bloc already.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:43 pm
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| Phil Tanny wrote: |
You'd think someone at Google might be brilliant enough to sell the public on paying a modest fee for human reviewed results. You'd think web publishers might be smart enough to help them pull it off. The irony is, for once it's not a scam, as I'm guessing human reviewed results from Google really would save you enough time to merit the expense.
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I doubt this will ever come out of the Google camp. While their primary motto is "do no evil" their secondary motto with undoubtedly be "automate everything."
Just look at the SERP, adwords, adsense, etc. The SEs are easy to manipulate because everything is automated, while Adsense allows automatic approval of sites of any quality now.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:11 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | I doubt this will ever come out of the Google camp. While their primary motto is "do no evil" their secondary motto with undoubtedly be "automate everything." |
Yes, I hear what you're saying.
I guess the question is whether they can make their two mottos coexist together.
Google, and Google users, are locked in battle with every skilled webmaster on the planet.
Google and it's users want to make the SERP's the best possible guide to quality, while we want the SERPs to be the best possible guide to OUR site, whatever it's quality.
If Google can win this battle via automation then their two mottos can live along side each other.
If we win the SEO battle, and automation proves to be the path to useless SERPs and declining public interest, then Google will have empowered us to kill off our own business, an outcome most of us would view as evil.
Here's a free bonus!
If we SEO crazed webmasters do manage to shoot ourselves in our own clever feet enough times to kill off our own business model, we will have someone else, Google, to blame for it! I wanted to point out this silver lining before someone calls me negative. 
In the end, the future of our digital world will be determined by the same forces that shape the physical world.
How do our human brains define themselves?
If we see ourselves as an integral part of, and totally dependant upon, something larger than ourselves, then we won't dump our trash in the ground water, or the SERPs.
If we view ourselves as isolated individuals, pitted against the world, then our actions will likely serve to deepen that dark illusion.
Seriously now, here's a really cool silver lining.
Nature (choose your own concept) will patiently teach us the fact that we are not isolated from each other and our surroundings as many times as we need the lesson, until we get it.
NATURE: "Ok people, if you insist, go ahead and dump a bunch of toxic chemicals in to the air (or SERPs) you can't live without. Try it, see what happens. Learn by doing!"
Sure, the learning curve sucks, but it's very cool that in the end there is only one possible outcome.
We may insist upon looking only at our own isolated bottom line, and destroy the SERPs and a nice business model in the process. We might do it nine times in a row. But after each time through the loop, we'll wake up hungry, and Nature will say, "OK, try again."
In the end, the only thing that will work is aligning our self definition with reality.
That is, everything and everybody is connected to everything and everybody.
Watching the SERPs war is just one more of a million ways to observe Nature teaching us that we aren't seperate and alone.
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Neil suggests Third sphere hosting. Can we use godaddy's economy / deluxe plan? Is it possible to host multiple websites on the same account? Please guide. Sophist you mentioned about godaddy. Can you please reply?
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I bought the book. and I'm not all that impressed. All of the extra monthly expensive add ons turn me off. ArticleBot at $49 to $99 ---NOT ABOUT TO HAPPEN here. I spend a fair amount of mone on programs......HEY I bought this one too. I spent about $190 month in IM subscriptions. I do think I will get my money's worth from the book, just not using all of his techniques.
PLUS! I am not exctied about recreating the same article over and over and over and over again..........I am not excited about 500 pages of the same thing only worded slightly differently each time.
For Articlebots $50 a month you can hire an elance or rentacoder ghost writer and create a 20 page minisite each month that has real content, not rehashed ......... STUFF (is that the correct spelling?)
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Hi again,
I want to comment on some of the posts in this thread lately. I admit I'm not as experienced as the others who have posted, but I think there are some things that need clarifying...
With some people like me, it is necessary to start something, anything, on the internet, to make money with Adsense or whatever right away. And I frankly think Neil's program is a good easy start to that.
His concept is for you to create sites that when Google users are searching for something and can't find any or very few results, your site's results will show up. Users click on the pages and hopefully will click on the ads or affiliate links. If they think the content is garbage, well then maybe they won't.
And the site will have like 200 pages related to different keywords. What is so evil about that?
And you don't have to get ArticleBot, Neil does not force you to buy anything (oh except his program, OK). If you want to hire an article writer, you certainly can do that, and perhaps make the sites better (or not...have you seen some articles they write?).
I do agree that simply "thesaurization" and nothing else, will probably not work, because the pages should be proofread and perhaps separate articles written on some subjects. For example, if the article is about cats, you can do articles about cats, cat litter, cat toys, buying cats, etc. If you did just one article about cats period, it may or may not work.
But look, I don't think anyone here is suggesting this is the best or the only way to make money on the web. Like I said in another post, I consider this to be a dollar a day idea. I'm one of those people who think it's better to build 200 sites this sort of way then to put all your eggs in one. And I don't want to wait months for income to show up (maybe), I want something now.
Actually, I think it's best to diversify, and try different things till you find your niche. But my reason for writing this is to tell you, in my opinion you don't have to follow Neil's advice to the letter and buy everything he suggests.
And yeah, perhaps these sites might be de-indexed. I have heard of SBI sites de-indexed too. Stuff happens.
Thanks for letting me speak on this! |
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:44 pm
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Ideal number of pages for Google seems to be 300-600 pages *maximum* per site. I learned this sometime ago from one of the official Google blogs. I wish I had the reference here. They were discussing adsense.
Lately, It seems more difficult to get pages indexed by Google. I've had a hard time even with links on PR8-PR9 sites! I am wondering if Google's sitemap ping is any faster.
Also, in the last 2 weeks Adsense revenue seems to have plummeted for a lot of people with a few people here in there noticing improvements instead of declines. Other forum posters seem to concur that AS revenue is down.
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Hi,
I just joined - nice forum Allan.
I've read all of this thread. I bought the book a month ago as a complete newbie to content/adsense sites like these.
I already had article announcer and x-site pro so I bought most of the other stuff and gave it a go.
The problem I found was that if you wanted to go for the low hanging fruit as suggested, then you ended up with some really strange keyword phrases. As someone mentioned earlier, most of the real low hanging fruit (up to 400 searches a month, less than 20 competing pages) would appear to be by the same person searching many times.
In response, someone else replied it didn't matter because each month there would be new, slightly strange phrases replacing the previous months and they would still 'tie in' - providing you with key phrases that produce some traffic. I agree, but I'm still left with the problem of pages that look a little awkward.
I'm sure there are other ways that I'm unaware of (I'm no expert) but I thought it was necessary to have the main keyphrase within the headline(h1) - this part automated through article bot.
Hence, even if you add ORIDEs like 'information about' and 'Guide to' you can end up with a lot of headings like -
'information about USA widget networkze widget widget camel'
Which tends to make the site look a bit trashy
I felt that it was an interesting book and concept. I noticed a few sites like mine when I did a search for the crazy keyphrases and wondered if they were Neil's?
They were ranked no.1 (the other sites, not mine) for a lot of phrases, but they were all silly phrases.
It was an interesting experiment, but like anything it would have taken quite a while to get up to speed. Like a few others who have posted, I just couldn't bring myself to make sites that -
a) I hated
b) I knew where made out of one article
c) offered nothing except an obstacle between entering a search and finding what they wanted - using me as the (low) paid click through merchant.
d) if I found one while searching, I would be sure not to click any profit for them on principle - it would be trash that was getting in my way
It just seems so soulless and pointless. It's like this - it would appear from what I've seen that it's possible to make quite a good living from begging, particularly if you employ some clever marketing.
But I wouldn't want to be a beggar - one of the reasons being that I think it is a crime not to exploit the talents we have. I can do much more for myself and others by doing any other job than begging.
And I imagine most of the people making these kind of sites could do a lot better if they just had a purpose.
By the way, I'm not criticising people who choose to make quick content sites - just stating that for me it seemed a waste of my ability.
So my conclusion after the experiment - I'd rather have a one page site that earnt nothing - but on that page I expressed myself clearly and honestly - than have a 400 page site about a subject I know (and care) nothing about, that earns me $5 a day.
And even when tempted to make 100 of these sites to make $500 a day - no, I'd rather go begging. Well maybe not but you get the point......... 
PS - if you're a really lazy person, you won't enjoy pressing the dig button 400 times in wordtracker then pressing the back button twice for every one. A right palava.......... |
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| ledge, i completely agree with what you're saying about the soulnessless (word?) of creating these kinds of sites but i reckon its a good method to get started and get some money coming in which can be used to fund more useful ventures. |
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Hi Andrew,
Yes I agree with you. For people starting out, it would also be great website building practise.
I'm referring to simple content sites in general though as opposed to the full blown seo projects referred to in the book - requiring a large outlay on extra software. If you're starting out I wouldn't recommend that route. |
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[quote]So my conclusion after the experiment - I'd rather have a one page site that earnt nothing - but on that page I expressed myself clearly and honestly - than have a 400 page site about a subject I know (and care) nothing about, that earns me $5 a day. [/quote]
Okay, then quit your job that you most likely don't care about and go volunteer on a full-time basis for a cause you believe in. |
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| Quote: | | Okay, then quit your job that you most likely don't care about and go volunteer on a full-time basis for a cause you believe in. |
I'm not sure what your point is but the part you have quoted makes more sense when used in context with the whole post - that context being the type of sites that I created by following the system outlined in the book.
Besides, I'm happily self-employed. |
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