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Vendelcrow
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:57 pm
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Iv'e been considering putting AdSense ads on all my sites, and also create Google sitemaps for them.
One thing that has been holding me back from doing it is that I have a lot of affiliate sites grouped around different subjects. All sites are linked together (clustered) in a non obvious way so I don't get penalized by Google, and they are spread out on hosting companies in USA, UK, Germany, Sweden etc. All this is done to avoid being detected and penalized for spamming the search engines with artificial link clusters.
If I start to use Google AdSense on most of my sites it will be a giveaway to Google that all the interlinked sites is a artificial cluster of sites, since they share the same AdSense member code.
The same goes for Google sitemaps. If a lot of sites that are linked together show up at the same Google sitemap account, its a clear cut giveaway to Google.
I have no idea if Google will use the info they gather from Adsense and SiteMaps in this manner, but It's a great opportunity for them to come to terms with all of those interlinked artificial clusters on the net.
What are your comments regarding this, sign up for various accounts, be careful not adding all your sites...
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:25 pm
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If the content is relevant between the pages/sites that you've linked, it shouldn't be a problem. But if it ISN'T relevant (i.e., linking a page about tractors to a site about video games with zero relevance), expect Google to catch up with you eventually whether you go for AdSense/Google Sitemaps or not.
You would likely come out way ahead (and certainly avoid the risk) if you simply unhooked the links that don't relate and found other ways to gain links (writing articles, getting listed in directories, yada yada).
Seems a better way to invest the time, rather than trying to stay one step ahead of the system.
Also, which is worth more: AdSense potential revenue, or whatever (inevitably short-term) benefits you derive from the current approach?
Just keep in mind that the SEs are getting smarter. You can't beat them at their own game. But you CAN refocus your time and energy on working within the system, and profit really well for all your hard work ... long-term. |
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Vendelcrow
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:12 am
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Thanks for the input High Spirit Radio,
Maybee I was not clear enough, but English is not my native tongue.
I am not breaking any rules with the search engines, my small clusters are highly related regarding content, and I don't not overdo my linking structures.
But still they are just created to give PR-bost to my various sites. When creating link clusters in this way Michael Campbell recommends that you spread out your sites to varios host, so you dont give away to the search engines that they all comes from the same source (different IP numbers etc.) .
Even if they are within the rules they are created for boosting PR, and if Google finds out that they are all related from the same source I think they can be downgraded in PR (hopefully not blacklisted).
With AdSense and Google sitemaps you give Google a chance to find out that they are created to boost PR, through your AdSense ID and your sitemap account.
Maybee I don't have to to worry, but I thought I should check what other thinks.
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StarHugger
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:19 pm
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| Vendelcrow wrote: | Even if they are within the rules they are created for boosting PR, and if Google finds out that they are all related from the same source I think they can be downgraded in PR (hopefully not blacklisted).
With AdSense and Google sitemaps you give Google a chance to find out that they are created to boost PR, through your AdSense ID and your sitemap account. |
I'm not an expert in second guessing Google, but it seems to me that if each of your sites is sincere in its content and in the way it presents its content, it shouldn't matter what your personal reasons were for creating the sites in the first place. Maybe this is just idealistic of me. 
Ask yourself, from the viewer's point of view: would the viewer look at each of your sites and think "Hrmph. Spammers!" or would they think "Cool, a site on a related subject that's giving me more information than the other one did"?
I think that's got to be your ultimate test. My understanding is that Google is on the side of consumers and viewers (at least in theory ), none of whom want to encourage sites that take up a lot of space but contribute little or nothing. And that's basically what Spam is -- a lot of filler and not much real or unique material.
But if each site is genuinely a new perspective on the same subject, or a new site on a related topic, then that's just business strategy I would think. I might be wrong, but I can't see Google penalising entrepreneurs for wanting to expand their business empire, as long as it's not done in a cheesy way that doesn't contribute anything new.
Could your cluster of sites have been created by different people independently of each other, and still hold up under scrutiny? If yes, then I would think that Google won't care if you have created an Internet empire that is focused on a variety of connected topics or approaches to the same topic. If each stands up on its own, and doesn't simply duplicate the others' content (using the same or just different words), then I doubt anyone will care why they were created or what benefit the creator gets from them.
If no, or if they all have 15 different ways of saying exactly the same thing, then I would be cautious. But, as HSR pointed out, it's probably only a matter of time before Google figures this out anyway, in which case your time is probably better spent revamping your sites to make them more legitimate.
Anyway, there are my thoughts for whatever they're worth.
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| StarHugger wrote: | | My understanding is that Google is on the side of consumers and viewers (at least in theory ), none of whom want to encourage sites that take up a lot of space but contribute little or nothing. And that's basically what Spam is -- a lot of filler and not much real or unique material. |
The way it's heading, some people might be forgiven for thinking Google is more preoccupied with ensuring that as many people as possible get the chance to earn their share from Adsense... in many cases at the expense of searchers ("consumers and viewers").
I'd hate to see us all losing from win-win.
Let's hope the bigger SEs factor in searcher satisfaction into the algo sooner rather than later. Whether or not this would be easier for Google than actually vetting publishers properly in the first place is debatable... Have you heard the saying "prevention is better than the cure"?
It seems as though the average searcher must be happy to define "expert" as "knows more than I do". Relatively dangerous, in more ways than one...
Surely one way of keeping "relative expertise" in check would be to limit the ease of monetisation. A similar thing would be with promotional links from forum posts, but that's another "cairn" of worms.
Just a thought,
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I see what you're saying and the thought has crossed my mind as well. Personally, I don't use their sitemaps service as they spider my sites just fine as is.
Yes, the Adsense code could be an issue, but I'm not too worried about it.
If you are paranoid about the Adsense issue, you have a couple options that other big earners are using:
- Use multiple Adsense accounts on your sites. Sign up one under your company, your personal name, and your spouses name (if they approve!)
- Register shell companies and set up new Adsense accounts for these companies.
Mind you, neither of these options are easy or cheap, but if you are beginning to build a mini empire of sites, I'd do almost anything to protect those revenue streams.
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Vendelcrow
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:07 am
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Sorry for late response, but I have been away a few days.
I have been thinking about the option to sign up for a couple more sitemaps account, to don't give away my minisite clusters if Google make a move in that direction.
Unfortunatly I can not sign up for more AdSense accounts, so I guess I have to hope for the best regarding that matter.
Once again I want to thank you for your input regarding this matter.
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