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WallaceCleaver
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 Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject: Questions about Neil Shearing's Auto Income ebook |
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I just read the newsletter recommending Neil's book and I have a couple questions. Does the book just turn around and recommend that I buy software? I don't really want to lay out money for the ebook only to have to spend more on software.
Also, Allan said that these techniques weren't suited to long term sites. How so? Does Neil advocate building sites that are going to get banned? |
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sophist
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Hi WallaceCleaver
I bought the book the day before yesterday and have gotten about 3/4 of the way to making my first site. Yes the book does recommend buying more software. This is to help automate the process. I haven't bought everything that Neil recommends. I found some work arounds.
So far you will have to spend an additional $49 minimum for Articlebot but I think I have workarounds for all the other pieces of software that are recommended.
Neil has a very good reputation for creating great products. I have never been given bad advice by Neil. In fact he was the very first person who I followed when I started my quest for passive income.
Good luck and hey, if you aren't happy with the ebook just get your money back. 
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learn2earn
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:25 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Does the book just turn around and recommend that I buy software? I don't really want to lay out money for the ebook only to have to spend more on software. |
That was what I thought too when I read the sales page. As Neil said, he is pointing to several key tools that when used in a unique system or combination will "build websites where each page is tailored to specific phrases that make money.... then put ads on the pages and earn cash from any clicks".
The benefit that I see here is that the system have been tried and tested by an experienced internet marketer, and those with no experience (like me) or new to adsense can save time and perhaps money that would otherwise have been spent on buying the "wrong" set of tools.
| Quote: | Yes the book does recommend buying more software. This is to help automate the process. I haven't bought everything that Neil recommends. I found some work arounds.
So far you will have to spend an additional $49 minimum for Articlebot but I think I have workarounds for all the other pieces of software that are recommended. |
I would assume that those with knowledge and experience like Sophist will know where to look for cost-effective workarounds. Any chance we can get some tips? 
I have not bought Auto Income Secrets yet, am still debating on the amount of investments that I will need to make to make the system work.
Regards.
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PeterT
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:58 am Post subject: |
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I understand the book recommends articlebot and xsitepro.
Articlebot is fairly expensive at $50 - $100 per month (depending on which link you order from!). Xsitepro costs $197, I think.
These methods should probably work in the short run. Until google and the other engines develop good enough filters to tag such "thesaurized" pages as duplicate content. At which point these sites will go the way traffic equalizer sites go today -- purged from the index.
Anyway, I'm off to buy it and try out the approach. I just wish there were cheaper alternatives to articlebot. Something that charges a one-time fee instead of soaking you month after month.
As this method catches on, I'm sure some other smart marketer will come out with exactly that...
Just my $0.002!
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sophist
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| learn2earn wrote: |
I would assume that those with knowledge and experience like Sophist will know where to look for cost-effective workarounds. Any chance we can get some tips?
Regards. |
For starters I bought Articlebot. Instead of using the "keyword results analyzer" is simply used an XL spreadsheet. I copy all the keywords into the spread sheet and then sort by competition.
I did get a 24 hour subscription at wordtrackers.
I haven't bought Xsitepro either. I created the entire page in Dreamweaver and copied the code into articlebot. It spit out the complete pages.
My hosting account provides a very large clip art library where I got my images.
Hosting is unavoidable. Instead of adding a new domain to my current hosting package I went over to Godaddy and got a new hosting account. You may or may not need to get this.
So far I haven't gotten to the article promotion part yet but it will most likely be unavoidable to get on with an article submission company.
For the most part you can find workarounds for most pieces of software Neil recommends but the time savings makes them worth while.
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edburdo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Is ArticleBot used to generate the actual pages?
And how long did it take you to figure out the right tags and such to make ArticleBot produce what you wanted?
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sophist
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| edburdo wrote: | Is ArticleBot used to generate the actual pages?
And how long did it take you to figure out the right tags and such to make ArticleBot produce what you wanted? |
Articlebot is used to create the different versions of the article but it does recognize html. I tried adding my entire template html and it worked.
The tags are quite easy. I really just followed Neils guide.
The article is manipulated by selecting a word or phrase and then adding as many alternate words or phrases that you can think of. The program just substitutes the phrases you wrote for each page it generates. I haven't used it to scrape the internet for content, I am using my own.
The real proof will come in about a month once the SE's have gotten the site into the index. I am starting on my second right now, adding 457 pages to an existing site.
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AllanGardyne
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Questions about Neil Shearing's Auto Income ebook |
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I think there are actually about five tools involved if you follow Neil's system precisely, some of which some affiliates will already own. Naturally, you'd make all those purchases only if you were seriously committed.
For example, ArticleAnnouncer is recommended. Using it will save you a lot of time, but you can use other tools or do article submissions by hand.
| WallaceCleaver wrote: | | Also, Allan said that these techniques weren't suited to long term sites. How so? Does Neil advocate building sites that are going to get banned? |
I definitely wouldn't say that and didn't mean to give that impression. It would be possible for someone to use one of the tools foolishly and create a site that was banned. However, you could say the same thing about very innocent tools, such as web authoring gear. There's a lot of choice involved, and inevitably some people will make foolish choices. I suggest anyone following the system heed Neil's strong warning on page 58.
If you know me, you'll know that for many years I've been advocating that people build high quality, useful, interesting websites that people will be keen to link to.
Neil is describing a system which is used to build websites very quickly and move on to the next one. If you're building them that fast, it's inevitable that quality will suffer.
I my review I suggest adapting Neil's system intelligently, slowing down and adding more quality.
I urge anyone who bought the book on my recommendation to remember what I said in my review while they read the book.
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pathfinder
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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You build sites that are not long term whenever you choose your keywords based on what is currently "hot" or in vogue. Since you have no control over the long term effectiveness of any of these keywords, you should regard them as being short term.
If you built a website based on "Hurricane Rita" would you expect long term usage?
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jaycee33
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| After getting Allan's email I too bought Article Income Secrets, a month of Article Bot, a month of Wordtracker and Keyword Results Analyzer. After doing my first project with AIS and using Wordtracker to find the keywords with less than 10 competing sites and low counts, I feel that the results indicate that each of these keywords are the result of a single individual searching and will probably never be searched on again. If you do a search in one months time on the same root word there will probably be a whole different set of low count keywords and the original ones will have gone and never be back. On this basis the AIS won't work. I had a belief in Neil and hope he and Allan can give me an honest answer which dissproves my fears. |
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JonB
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi 
I'm a click away from buying the book. Just one question, how many pages per keyphrase does Niall say to build per article, how big are his websites? Are they anything like the giant TE sites that are thousands of usesless pages, or are we talking about more focused 100-300 page websites? I was thinking that maybe his system was to make 10 articles out of one article, so as not to abuse the system. What I am worried about is that he's going to tell me to build a 20000 page site in a click
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AllanGardyne
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| jaycee33 wrote: | | On this basis the AIS won't work. I had a belief in Neil and hope he and Allan can give me an honest answer which dissproves my fears. |
The only kind of answers I give are honest ones.
You've read Neil's book, which describes a technique Neil has tested for himself and found to work. In contrast, it sounds as though you've done a little research and provided your own theories.
What are you hoping for? A 100% guarantee that EVERY site based on every little niche will generate useful income? If that's what you're hoping for, you've totally misread the book.
Also, if you've read my review carefully, you'll understand that I recommend using your own brain and adapting Neil's instructions, so that you're not doing exactly the same the thing as everyone else who reads the book.
Three ways of adapting Neil's recommendations would be to expand your keyword list, improve the quality of the content, and get more links to your site.
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ihenman
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:07 am Post subject: |
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For those looking here's an alternative to ArticleBot
Not an AFF link
http://www.parabuilder.com
No mthly fee just a one time shot.
Best of luck! |
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PeterT
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Just one question, how many pages per keyphrase does Niall say to build per article, how big are his websites? Are they anything like the giant TE sites that are thousands of usesless pages, or are we talking about more focused 100-300 page websites? |
The example Neil gives is of a 300 page website. I believe there are people using it to create 20,000 page sites, but that's probably exactly the kind of abuse that will eventually get articlebot generated sites banned by the engines.
I think the best approach is to read Neil's book, build a few sites using his system while at the same time trying to come up with your own unique twists to the system.
There really are ways to tweak and adapt the system so that what you're doing is probably unique. There's no substitute for creative thinking!
On a different note, parabuilder looks very interesting. Does it also have all the essential capabilities of articlebot? Can it, for example, take a set of keywords and insert it into the right places while coming up with different versions of the content?
Would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks and regards,
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JonB
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Hey peter, thanks for the reply. I'm definitely curious enough as to buy the book now. I imagine that Neil has crafted a nifty little system to create OK quality sites by using article bot. Without abusing the system and taking great care into building the websites I can see it happening. I know it can work, because a have a few niche sites that are doing ok, though they were all hand made. I would just be thrilled to levearge my time by creating some good sites that won't make me feel like I'm cheating the engines with something like TE. However we all know we have to be crafty enough so as not to rely on those auto income websites as our only source of income
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