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AllanGardyne
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:09 am
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Site 1: Maybe once a week on average.
Site 2: Maybe once every two or three weeks.
Site 3: A few paragraphs about once a month.
Site 4: Varies. Several times a week, lately.
Ideally, I think it's a good idea to add fresh content very regularly, most days.
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 5:17 am
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Thanks Allan!
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Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:46 am
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Hello Mike.
| mike_l wrote: | | From now on if I am not contributing, then I will not respond. |
Personally I'd love to hear more from affiliate managers around here, provided they can think of ways of avoiding promotion in the message body. It all comes down to whether the rewards justify the time it takes.
Take a look at the posts by Timothy Warnock...
If an affiliate manager could share information in the same way he manages with copywriting, I know for a fact certain active affiliates would lap it up.
Cheers,
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:42 pm
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First of all, I wanted to thank everyone for their helpful insight. I wanted to reciprocate by sharing some information on my web site's traffic and revenue which, I hope, will help someone.
I own and manage a web site with about 2000 pages. The web site is content-rich, though some of the 2000 pages contain hardly any content and merely contain content-related links for my associate programs. I started the web site a few years ago, but neglected it for a period of about 2 years, not writing any content or improving the web site whatsoever. I picked up the strings again about 1 year ago, but have added minimal new content.
I do no paid marketing at all. I only optimize my web site for search engines as best as I can (I am no programmer and have no employees). I use Microsoft Front page to edit my web site and have numerous incoming links (I did not ask for them, all done voluntarily) which have helped my Google page rank reach 7. I presently receive about 1500 - 2000 visitors per day, depending on the day of the week (weekends are always slower).
The associate programs I joined and products/services I promote pay per lead and I presently bring in about $1500 per month, with about 2 hours work per week on the web site. The reason my revenue is not higher is because half of my web site visitors are from outside the U.S. and Canada and, consequently, do not qualify as valid leads for the vendors I promote. But I have no complaints.
I also have built and am continuing to build several new web sites strictly for the U.S. market, based on my experience with the aforementioned web site. My goal is to earn at least $2000 per new web site. I have plans to develop at least 20 and have already booked 10 domain names, with 2 new web sites up and running (meaning a total of 3 at present).
All this is extremely hard work, especially since I believe in building quality web sites which look professional (with some skill, luck and praying, I manage to do this with Frontpage!). It takes me approximatly 1 week to develop each web site to the point where I am satisfied enough to put it online. My wife and I both spend countless hours in front of the computer screen, cussing, laughing, concentrating, and generally doing teidious work. Of course, the results always justify the blood, sweat and tears (neither of us are technical, unless you count Computers 101 in college). Sometimes a simple margin irregularity or a border problem will drive us to the brinks of insanity, but we push on (and have a cold beer afterwards).
Our revenue has been increasing, though some of the new web sites have yet to have a high search ranking on Google and Yahoo. We believe that, in time, it will climb since our front page of each web site has a vast amount of content. Waiting is difficult, but something we have learned to deal with. I use links from my first web site with page rank 7 to my new web sites in order to help indexing and page rank.
My 2 cents: content really does count, the more the better. Well-planned web site deisgn is very important for credibility and to maximize revenue. A good domain name certainly helps search result placement. Never cheat (invisible text, spamming, etc). Persevere always. If you are over 21, have a cold beer handy for the tough times and have a sense of humor. If you are under 21, have a GREAT sense of humor.
I wanted to share and return something to the group, and I hope I can continue to add value. Thanks again! |
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:32 am
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Wow! That's great, really shows the power
of a content rich website, which attracts
voluntary inbound links.
Inspires me to make very big websites.
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AllanGardyne
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Davidnjr, I assumed from your earlier post that you were a beginner. I definitely got that wrong.
I don't think you mentioned AdSense. If you know how to create good content sites that achieve a PageRank of 7 and get thousands of visitors, you'd most likely do very well with AdSense. Several of my sites earn most of their revenue from AdSense.
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Davidnjr
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:16 am
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Thank you for all the replies. I have had Google call me requesting that I use Ad Sense on my web site. I did try it for a short time but decided to stop because 1. many of the ads running on ad sense were at best vaguely related to the topic of my web site and 2. I felt that having ad sense on my web site cheapened its look and creditibility because of the obvious commercialism.
I am not knocking ad sense and, quite frankly, have very little experience with it other than the aforementioned short stint. I have read that it works wonders for many people, and I am glad they are succeeding. It just does not work for me.
My revenue is derived from pay-per-lead affiliate programs. I do not use overly commercial banners or anything glittery since I am always concerned about the look of my web site. I find that operating a web site is a little like being a parent to a child: there always is more to do, it is a labor of love, it is hard to be objective about your baby, yet one must move on.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:24 am
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Fair enough. If you've found an approach that works, keep on doing it, I reckon.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:43 am
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| Davidnjr wrote: | | All this is extremely hard work, especially since I believe in building quality web sites which look professional (with some skill, luck and praying, I manage to do this with Frontpage!). It takes me approximatly 1 week to develop each web site to the point where I am satisfied enough to put it online. |
| Quote: | | Thank you for all the replies. I have had Google call me requesting that I use Ad Sense on my web site. I did try it for a short time but decided to stop because 1. many of the ads running on ad sense were at best vaguely related to the topic of my web site and 2. I felt that having ad sense on my web site cheapened its look and creditibility because of the obvious commercialism. |
All I can say is, "what a refreshing change"...
It's great to see someone succeeding this way in these heady days of SE-spam hiding behind the skirts of the content site model.
Thanks for sharing the details.
Cheers,
Charlie.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:12 pm
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| Davidnjr wrote: | | I am not knocking ad sense and, quite frankly, have very little experience with it other than the aforementioned short stint. I have read that it works wonders for many people, and I am glad they are succeeding. It just does not work for me. |
Adsense has a new tool within the code where you can plug in keywords to help the Adsense ads display ads that are targeted to your visitors. This would be a great way to monotize those non-U.S visitors you're receiving.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:15 pm
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Thank you, once again, for all your input. Charlie, thank you for the kind words. I wanted to elaborate a little on Ad Sense and my feelings towards it.
I am not sure why, but both my wife and I both feel that Ad Sense makes a web site look too commercialized. Whenever we visit a web site with Ad Sense ads, we tend to hit the Back button and looking for a different resource. There is something about the look Ad Sense lends to the web page that turns us off, yet I cannot quite put my finger on it and adequately describe why. Perhaps regular web site visitors who are not familiar with affiliate programs have a much different impression of Ad Sense ads and do not mind them, which is evidenced by the number of successful Ad Sense advocates on this board. Perhaps I have also visited too many web sited with Ad Sense ads proudly displayed ismack bang in the middle of the page where, instead, I expected to find objective and helpful information. I realize I may belong to a minority group that shares my sentiment.
After reading all the positive testimonials about Ad Sense on this board, I must confess to asking myself 2 questions: 1. Why do I have that impression of Ad Sense? and, 2. What am I missing that others see?
Another thing I would like to point out is that many of the successful affiliate programs I run are for vendors that are also represented in Ad Sense ads. However, my affiliate programs pay a much better rate per lead and I have a choice of what kind of text or banner links I can place on my web site, so I choose not to dilute it with Ad Sense.
But every time I read the wonderful success stories on this board from web site owners who have successfully incoporated Ad Sense into their web site, I ponder those 2 questions again.
Side question: this forum is a tremendous resource. What is the name of the forum software used? I would like to incorporate some kind of forum into my web site to build content. If it is not proprietory or sensitive information, could someone please tell me the name of the software used and how I can obtain a copy?
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:43 pm
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| Davidnjr wrote: | | After reading all the positive testimonials about Ad Sense on this board, I must confess to asking myself 2 questions: 1. Why do I have that impression of Ad Sense? and, 2. What am I missing that others see? |
Seems like you've visited too many junk adsense pages in your day!  I'm sure you've visited lots of quality, informational rich sites that display adsense and some of the time, you can not even tell if they're adsense publishers. The www.weblogsinc.com network of sites has tons of pages with adsense on them. They make a million dollars a year with all their blogs.
What are you missing? Nothing maybe. Some publishers find that they can make more money with their affiliate programs then adsense. Some like to use both in conjunction with each other and then some like to use strictly Adsense. Personally, I like to use Adsense in conjunction with my affiliate programs. If the affiliate program isn't appeasing to my visitor, then I'll hopefully convert them with a click from my adsense ads.
Either way, you hear such great success with Adsense because it's an easy way to target visitors with ads. And that's marketing...targeting your visitors. That's why you'll hear so much about it. No other "plug-n-play" program out there does a better job targeting your content then Google's Adsense.
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| Davidnjr wrote: | | Side question: this forum is a tremendous resource. What is the name of the forum software used? I would like to incorporate some kind of forum into my web site to build content. If it is not proprietory or sensitive information, could someone please tell me the name of the software used and how I can obtain a copy? |
www.phpbb.com ...it's free. Might also want to look at www.vbulletin.com and www.seo-board.com .
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AllanGardyne
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:52 pm
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| Davidnjr wrote: | | Perhaps I have also visited too many web sited with Ad Sense ads proudly displayed ismack bang in the middle of the page where, instead, I expected to find objective and helpful information. |
I can understand that. There are lots of horrible sites out there, many containing hundreds of auto-generated pages - per rubbish. Google seems to be getting better at identifying such pages and downgrading them in the rankings.
However, website visitors in general still click on AdSense ads, and it is possible to create a nicely designed site you can be proud of, I think.
| Quote: | | What am I missing that others see? |
Easy money. If you have targeted traffic, it's usually much easier to generate revenue from AdSense than affiliate programs.
| Quote: | | Another thing I would like to point out is that many of the successful affiliate programs I run are for vendors that are also represented in Ad Sense ads. However, my affiliate programs pay a much better rate per lead... |
I hope you're comparing apples with apples.
As I'm sure you know, AdSense pays per click. With a pay-per-lead program, you have to get the click AND get someone to sign up.
You might find the AdSense payouts are too low in your field.
Anyway, you could do a small test on two or three pages and set up channels in AdSense to track the revenue generated on those pages. You'd very quickly be able to tell if pay-per-lead programs or AdSense or a combination of both produced the most income.
| Quote: | | I would like to incorporate some kind of forum into my web site to build content. |
This forum software is free, but I've paid a programmer a few times to make some little tweaks to it. The software has a support forum where you'll be able to learn all sorts of useful things.
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