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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:47 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | Please keep in mind the interests of WEBMASTERS are not being served. It's hard to take off the blinders; we're a very very VERY small portion of the internet community, compared to the general surfers who are just surfing for information. |
Time for some blowhard bombast.... 
Professional webmasters are not a small portion of the Internet community, we ARE the Internet community, by which I mean we are the ones providing most of the useful content the whole machine runs on.
You and I, struggling little guys, are providing Google with all it's content, COMPLETELY FOR FREE, so that some folks at Google can get very rich on it. Does Google thank us? No, Google sends GoogleGuy out to feed us mysterious little bits of unreliable info.
You and I, struggling little guys, are providing surfers around the planet wth a brand new, historic, giant amazing world of useful info, COMPLETELY FOR FREE, and enriching the lives of billions of people in the process. How often do the visitors to your site take the time to write a one sentence note thanking you for your efforts?
You and I are suckers, imprisoned within our own limited horizon which rarely extends beyond our own personal checkbook. Everybody around us takes advantage of us, and takes us for granted, because we let them.
That's how Google rules us, by leveraging our limited horizons and dividing and conquering each of us as isolated little individuals.
I don't mean to villianize Google, they are a completely legal company that is doing what any smart business person would do, leveraging the efforts of those around them who are less smart.
Every time we whine about Google we are reinforcing their position and undermining our own empowerment.
Webmasters are unable to think or act like a group, and that's why we are on our knees, begging Google for crumbs.
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:04 pm
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All wound up, foaming at the mouth now.
Suppose it became a matter of pride among webmasters to do the following: (idea borrowed from Johnathon Mizel)
Suppose we required an email address (verified by a confirm procedure) from a visitor before allowing access to our site?
We say: "Dear visitor, I've spent 45 million hours building this site for you. I'd love to share it with you, but only if you are willing to share something with me too. This site is for my friends, and if you can't bring yourself to let me email you once in awhile, you have chosen not to be my friend."
All the quality sites finally find their self respect, and go to this system.
Now Google is knocking on our door, because their robots can no longer suck up our content for free.
"Dear Mr. Webmaster, we'd love to list your site in our database. How can we gain access and partner with you? Please write us back!!"
Declan, in another post you said people don't appreciate stuff they get for free. You were right.
We ourselves are establishing the market price for our services at zero, and the market is taking us up on the offer.
We are the problem.
Ah, look at me, providing completely free content to somebody else's website. A sucker is born every minute...
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 5:03 pm
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| Phil Tanny wrote: |
Professional webmasters are not a small portion of the Internet community, we ARE the Internet community, by which I mean we are the ones providing most of the useful content the whole machine runs on.
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Phil, I'm afraid you misunderstood me.
Out of all the people that USE the internet (or use google in this example), only a small percentage of us actually publish content (blog, regular site, etc.) to the Internet. Most people are simply consumers of our information and can care less how sites are ranked by Google, let alone when they change something; they're just happy to find the info they're looking for.
Phil, just as there are as many people that are upset that Google refrains from formally informing us, there are just as many (if not more) that are just happy to publish to the web and have other people read their thoughts, let alone get FREE traffic from Google.
Yes, Google does make money of your content, but no one is forcing you to publish it either. This is the main reason why I have a harder and harder time following Google's arbitrary rules that they don't follow themselves half the time. They're allowed to make money from our content, but we get dinged if we try to use someone elses content to make money. 
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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:32 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | . Out of all the people that USE the internet (or use google in this example), only a small percentage of us actually publish content (blog, regular site, etc.) to the Internet. |
Yes, right, I agree. I was just pointing out that the contributions of that small percentage is the actual substance of the Web.
Most of the useful, interesting and worthwhile content on the Web is created and owned by individual webmasters like you and me.
The Web is literally our property.
How come everybody else in the equation gets what they want for free, whereas we the producers, the actual owners, have to work like dogs on speculation?
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:36 am
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| robertb wrote: | | But lets not forget those other search engines failed because they were TOO open to manipulation by webmasters, making the results horrible. If Google did officially share updates and algo changes for webmasters, it would only aid to the explotation of the results by ruthless webmasters. |
I think these search engines failed for reasons other than the fact that they were being exploited. I don't expect Google to reveal their algo's or even let people know what their short / long term plans are. Do Google want to create a search engine where quality content is rewarded with good rankings or is their intention to penalize affiliates or those attempting to monetize their content?
| Phil Tanny wrote: | Every time we whine about Google we are reinforcing their position and undermining our own empowerment.
Webmasters are unable to think or act like a group, and that's why we are on our knees, begging Google for crumbs. |
It seems to me either way the odds are stacked against affiliate marketers. Maybe a union of webmasters / marketers IS required to stand up to these faceless companies who affect our livelihoods and then insult our intelligence with someone like GoogleGuy.
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The Web is literally our property. |
Excellent point Phil. As someone who has been responsible for the construction of part of this property I expect to be paid, is that asking too much?
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oh dear...
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