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| Quote: | | However,I am tired of Google continually altering the rulebook. I am all in favour of ridding the internet of poor quality sites, but Google seem to be abusing their power and making life difficult for many reputable sites. |
It really seems that way. Seriously, I run into tons of really poor quality sites, sites with just links and adsense; or even sites with ZERO content, just a keyword and adsense! And it's kinda sad that these sites stay up while informative and interesting sites get banned by the great you know who. But what can ya do - they have that right I guess.
But I have 8 Martell sites (though most are very new - only two that are decently indexed), that are getting better with each month - income-wise, PR-wise, and visitor-wise. The only thing I do a little differently from his manual is I link to my article directories from my home page as well as the site map, to hopefully eliminate the backdoor problem. Then I crosslink articles a little here and there.
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 7:46 pm
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| johncpu wrote: | Nick, I hear ya. But if you put yourself in Google's position, it really isnt abuse. Giving searchers good content is a constant effort that requires adjusting to new situations.
And unless you have a monopoly, you want the SEs to tweak their algos. Its a great opportunity to knock off the big sites. I love it when the SEs change - I may lose some pages, but overall, my rankings continue to creep up. |
This is very true. Some of the junky sites that make their way into the SE's are annoying, but in the long run I don't think they last. I would much rather spend my time creating new valuable content than constantly tweaking junk to stay ahead of Google et al.
The people that run these useless sites must have to spend their time trying to find ways to stay ahead of the SE's (at least I certainly hope they do). Doesn't seem like it would be much fun to me. I would prefer to create sites that, while they might take longer to build momentum, will maintain their momentum for a long time.
| NickR wrote: | | I am all in favour of ridding the internet of poor quality sites, but Google seem to be abusing their power and making life difficult for many reputable sites |
I see this as being more the fault of the people who create the poor quality sites than of Google. Google needs to maintain the quality of their results and as such needs to find ways to filter out the junk. Unfortunately, those filters can also affect reputable sites in some cases. I don't blame Google for that, I blame the people throwing up the garbage sites. |
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:24 pm
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| John Lenaghan wrote: |
The people that run these useless sites must have to spend their time trying to find ways to stay ahead of the SE's (at least I certainly hope they do). |
Actually, my guess is they don't worry about staying ahead at all.
I think it's more of a "throw as much $hit at the wall as you can and hope some sticks" strategy. The more content you throw out there, the more money you can make.
I'm not advocating doing this, I don't, but I know people who do quite well at it; they got tired of Google dinging all of their good, honest sites. Sort of a if you can't beat um, join um campaign.
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I do not believe James has any good sites up at the moment!
If he had he would surely start making at least one public (as a sacrificial lamb) to prove his methods are still working. To be taken seriously I don't think he would come up with a site less than PR5 and around the Alexa 100,000. So I safely assume he is not running any succesfull one (yet).
Nothing now, no sites, no serious comments on the bannings, both must seriously hurt his businessmodel.  It makes me think he's living from The Book now, and a considerable residual income from 90(!) banned sites probably. I also notice that my J.M. style sites need much more attention and effort than they did last summer to get the same amount of traffic. So it looks like his methods are not what they used to be!
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:57 am
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Gnoes, I think I has lots of sites that are probably doing pretty well. But that?s relative anyway. He loaded his old sites with Adsense, so most of them probably weren?t making a ton of commissions. But a hundred sites making a few $ with adsense adds up.
If he had he would surely start making at least one public ... to prove his methods are still working.
Does he really need to prove that ? You cant really blame him for keeping his sites a secret. He claimed that plagiarism was the reason, but I also think he just didn?t like all the scrutiny. Cant blame him for that either.
It makes me think he's living from The Book now
Actually, I suspect he now makes as much or more from the Buzz than from his ebook. All those people paying $10 a month, that adds up too. And don?t forget he?s in Canada with more than a 20% premium on currency exchange ! That $167 book you bought from him is worth over $200 where he lives. Yikes ! No wonder everyone wants to be an internet marketer 
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:24 pm
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| Gnoes wrote: | | To be taken seriously I don't think he would come up with a site less than PR5 and around the Alexa 100,000. So I safely assume he is not running any succesfull one (yet) |
...Yet is a good word I know for sure that Martell has at least one site with PR 4 and Alexa 223 000... |
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Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:05 pm
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| Gnoes wrote: | | I do not believe James has any good sites up at the moment! |
That's your belief, but I know otherwise.
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If he had he would surely start making at least one public (as a sacrificial lamb) to prove his methods are still working. |
I wouldn't, not after loosing that many. He's investing thousands of dollars into some of his latest sites content. I certainly wouldn't just throw that away.
He also has over 40 new sites that I personally know of that aren't publically available.
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He also has over 40 new sites that I personally know of that aren't publically available. |
If that is true it is really a shame he can't sacrafice one site as an example for those of us who have purchased his course and would like to see a live example of what he does.
He does not have a single example of what he is talking about in his latest revised manual. That is a real shame.
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:50 pm
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A shame? possibly.
But it is his business... and it doesn't matter how much we ask... if he doesn't want to show his sites, he won't. Allan has shown a couple of his sites, and look at what has happened. Copycats and plaguarism...
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:22 pm
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Eric,
One's best jokes are always accidental. The typo says it all!!
plagiarism? I'll settle for plaguarism or even plague-u-arism as being quite appropriate.
Where's Charlie when a gem like this comes along?
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:06 pm
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Hehe... I didn't even realise that. I new it was spelled wrong, but I was in a hurry and couldn't look it up. I like the double meaning... so I think I'll leave it.
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If that is true it is really a shame he can't sacrafice one site as an example for those of us who have purchased his course and would like to see a live example of what he does. |
I see where you're coming from, but there's something more important in his life than those who have purchased from him: his family. Who's going to pay to feed his four kids or so if his internet business takes more and more hits?
People tend to focus on ME ME ME and what James OWES them rather than the other way around: what we owe him. Let's get real here, James doesn't owe anyone anything, we all put down our cash and got our e-book, deal done. We weren't promised the key to every one of his secrets; he's worked 5 years learn them, can you really put a price on those, let alone $167 or $10 a month? He's been kind enough to show us his sites once, and gotten burned. It happened once, shame on whatever caused the issue. If it happens twice, shame on James for allowing it.
I picture most of his students setting on James' porch with a bowl in their hands. They beg and plead for him to come out and feed them. Then James shows himself, puts some food in each of the students bowls, and retreats to his home. They survive off hand-me-outs and they get upset when James doesn't deliver them. They claim it's UNFAIR that he with holds information. The students that really succeed toss the bowl aside and leave, going off on their own.
Come on, the man has more content online than most of us combined and has a great birds eye view on the industry. He doesn't have anything to prove by showing his sites, he's already done that.
Here's a little tid-bit for you all if you really believe James is not sharing the wealth. Remember a few buzzes back when James brought up the "continuous pour" and constantly adding content. He said he was doing it and recommends other students to do the same. Remember? Well, how many of you have implemented that? Adding at least one new article a day now?
Well, according to the patent Google just applied for, they are factoring in the freshness of sites in the results now. This issue is nearly as big as getting backlinks into your site and I would guess most of you heard it from James first.
Sorry for the lengthy post, but it's disheartening to see people complain and pout about things here when their time would be better spent working on their sites and content, which I'm going to do now!
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| robertb wrote: | | BobsStuff wrote: |
If that is true it is really a shame he can't sacrafice one site as an example for those of us who have purchased his course and would like to see a live example of what he does. |
I see where you're coming from, but there's something more important in his life than those who have purchased from him: his family. Who's going to pay to feed his four kids or so if his internet business takes more and more hits? |
I can see both sides of this discussion. On the one hand I completely understand why James wouldn't want to open his new sites up to potential problems. Personally, I think he makes far more from his sites than his ebook and the Buzz. I think he would be more willing to let those suffer from any "negative press" from this whole issue than he would be to open any of his new sites to possible issues.
On the other hand, I can see why people who are just starting out with his system would like to see a completed site that they can use to visualize how things are set up.
I suppose he could create a site that is nothing more than a sample to show people his methods in action. The problem I see with this is twofold. First, there are many different templates available, and trying to emulate a site that is set up completely differently from your own might not be any more effective than having nothing to work from.
The other problem I can see - and this is from personal experience - is that you don't learn nearly as much by copying someone else's work. That would be copying in the sense of following the layout and style of a site, not copying in the sense of plagiarism.
When I started my first site, I found myself constantly checking James' 1st-in sites to see how he did something before implementing it on my site. It wasn't until I started working on my 2nd and 3rd sites that I really started to take ownership of the process.
With these sites, I took the time to really try to understand the process and did some more reading about particular aspects that weren't as clear to me. This included many other resources beyond James' manual.
As helpful as it might sound to have a site you could work from and compare to, in my opinion there's really no better way to learn the process than to dig in and work through it yourself. |
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Hear! Hear! John. Well said.
Successful people I know just see an opportunity and do it. No waffle, or ums and errs. As James would say, "No hocus pocus, just focus."
I'm building my first Martell style site and many times refer to some of his 1st-in sites for guidance. Like how to get the visitor to the article page, to click through to the product page then eventually click through to the merchant. How do you lead them through the process?
But I am also aware that some of James' sites may be testing something new so I'm always wary to stick to the manual as much as possible.
BTW I'm testing Google Adwords to help drive traffic quicker (just what Google wants, hey?). I ran a few Adword campaigns last year after reading Google Cash & Perry Marshalls materials. So I know what I'm doing. But I'm eager to get out of it as soon as I get trafiic naturally (and for free) from the search engines.
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| Agent007 wrote: |
BTW I'm testing Google Adwords to help drive traffic quicker (just what Google wants, hey?). I ran a few Adword campaigns last year after reading Google Cash & Perry Marshalls materials. So I know what I'm doing. But I'm eager to get out of it as soon as I get trafiic naturally (and for free) from the search engines. |
How did that work out for you? Were you able to generate more in revenue than costs?
That's actually a good idea if you can make it profitable; more diverse traffic streams are always better.
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