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speedguide
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:11 am
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Having brought 1000's of articles I can tell you that the missing link for me was finding the writers.
I've found some write well in certain areas or topics. I've went through a bunch of writers and now have a steady 4-6 that I use. Spend the time at elance or rentacoder and FIND THE WRITER. This is business. It's like looking for a good employee.
I'm always trying new techniques.
The writing process for me has went even deeper. I use one writer that I only give short 150-200 work pieces to. And another long researched articles that I pay more for. Some I only give technical articles to and others anything.
You'll get better articles if you do more upfront work... at least that has been my experience.
Once you find a writer.... keep them busy. I always have a group of articles to have written. As soon as they're done I shoot them some more.
FYI --- I pay from $3-15 depending on what my needs are.
Keep creating content!!!!
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:33 am
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| speedguide wrote: | Having brought 1000's of articles I can tell you that the missing link for me was finding the writers.
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I am just re-looking at this. For me, finding the time and energy to write articles is tough. It takes me all day to write a 400 word article, my time is worth far more then $5, $10 or $50 a day. It simply makes real good sense to hire this part out.
My plan is to continue learning the ins and outs of outsourcing and develop my network of sites with articles, reviews, etc.
I wish I acted on this 6 months ago when I first read "How to create website content fast". Doh!
Does anyone buy articles just to submit them to article directories? I would like to use some of the articles for this.
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 4:06 am
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Dave,
I create articles just for myself. If I decide to post them to the directories that's fine but generally I just add content to my own sites. It's a non stop process.
Not only did I write the Create Content FAST eBook... I use it everyday... it's my manual!
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 11:35 am
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And to expand out on what you can hire content for:
newsletter content
autoresponder content
sales letters (if your selling a product)
article directories
regular content
The possibilities are endless... you just have to take that first step.
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:00 pm
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Eric is right.
Expand your mind and possibilities. I recommend that every 6-8 weeks you step back and examine what part of the business is slowing you down and find out what you would need to "fix" it. Then do it.
That's how I keep pushing the rock!!!!
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Phil Tanny
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| speedguide wrote: | | Expand your mind and possibilities. I recommend that every 6-8 weeks you step back and examine what part of the business is slowing you down and find out what you would need to "fix" it. Then do it. |
Good idea Gary. I've been having to do a lot of this introspection lately.
Part of what's been slowing me down is a vague but emerging instinct that if I'm going to compete in the Net of today and tomorrow I need to pull a bigger rabbit out of the hat than recycling other people's information.
I really do see the value in having thousands of keyword focused pages as bait for the engines. Bulk buying of articles makes tons of sense in that context, and with luck I'll learn how to play this game.
But I must admit it seems like drudgery. No, I'm not afraid of work. I can read Perl books for hours at a go and do so regularly. But the work has to have some meaning to me, or it's like unpacking trucks at the Walmart warehouse. This truck of info comes in, repackage the contents in to new boxes, load on to a different truck. Do it again. And again.
Being the manager of an assembly line of worker bees repacking the boxes isn't so different...
I get meaning when I feel like I'm able to create something new that isn't already there. At least somewhat new. I've got three sites like this going now, and I have to tear myself away from them to go to the beach.
Setting my personal psychology aside, I see oceans of faceless, nameless, recycled content sites laid for thousands of miles before me.
I see reader's relationship with the Net changing. The Net's not a new toy anymore, and we're all starting to take it completely for granted.
My sales copy rants are at heart a concern that Net readers are disengaging, tuning us out, like so much of the rest of the culture they've learned to ignore. 98% of those who visit pages by written highly skilled pro copywriters turn their back and walk away. Why?
Looking ahead, I just wonder if we're going to have to put more on the table than more and more repeats of other people's information if we want our jaded media saturated audience of today and tomorrow to pay us any attention.
If you'll pardon the analogy, bombarding folks with data can be compared to the effects of porn. The stimulation is exciting at first, but then the input sensors get overloaded and it dulls people and puts them to sleep.
TV. Billions of people entering zombie trances for hours every day.
I'm not putting this especially well, because it's bubbling up from instinct rather than a well formed logical thesis.
How do we stay awake? How do we keep the readers awake?
Hey, this is almost an article. Who wants to buy it?? 
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:16 am
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | | Quote: | | Yes, you can buy quality articles for $6 dollars... or $5 or $20. It depends on who your writers are, what the topics are and a few other tips. But it isn't rocket science. If you want to discuss it further, start a new topic |
Good idea Eric. Let's talk about good ways to find writers, shall we?
I've never quite plugged in to elance and other free lance middleman type sites. It's just the shopping environment that hooks me.
I'd like to visit a site specifically profiling web content writers. A page by/about each writer, with examples, prices etc.
Anybody know of such a resource?
It seems discussions of $5 articles never get around to showing examples, so I've wondered how good they can be myself. Hopefully I'm just ignorant. What say you? |
I know you want believe this but I have had some people do them for $2 on rentacoder.. and i guarantee you they have been good..
then again you get people who dont give good work.. got to be careful.. paying more doesnt mean you get better |
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 9:12 pm
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | | ...I see oceans of faceless, nameless, recycled content sites laid for thousands of miles before me. |
Very good point. However, building such websites is only one possible choice among an almost endless variety of choices.
We tend to discuss this particular choice at lengtht on this forum because it's something that is working well for many affiliates right now.
However, the Internet is so vast and the options so incredibly broad that we have the freedom to design our own business however we like.
These days, I tend to spend more time thinking about ways to apply leverage than I spend thinking about ways to add create content. You can apply leverage through other people's money, other people work, other people's brainpower...
To me, all those options are more intriguing and challenging than recycling content.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:49 pm
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UPDATE:
I have my half of my first batch back from a writer. I am very pleased with the quality. I made a couple of very minor adjustments to fit my style, and then added the affiliate links where the fit. I should have the second half of the batch back on Wednesday.
For the records, I purchased them in a set of 10. I plan on trying a different author next time, since I am going to give this particular author another round of articles to write next week. So far, he seems to be very good, and does the work for $5 each.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:45 pm
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| Quote: | Phil Tanny wrote:
...I see oceans of faceless, nameless, recycled content sites laid for thousands of miles before me. |
One possibility write content on your views of the net and where it's going then find affilliates related to that.
I think it's important to choose a subject your interested in if your going to have the staying power to make money at this. Interest in making money alone is not enough because in the beginning your not going to make that much money.
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:12 pm
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Phil,
Thanks for starting this topic, and thanks, Gary, for sharing your professionalism. You are absolutely right: If you want a busines, treat it like one. (Or was it Allan  )
Based on your posts I have started a project on rentacoder. 4 bidders within an hour, and it seems likely I'll accept one. This will be a completely new experience that I will fully test out: I can now create sections on my site where I have less than perfect knowledge, and still present valuable stuff.
Rentacoder seems to suit me perfectly with regards to the knowledge: These writers are in the same business as me.
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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:14 pm
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | | These days, I tend to spend more time thinking about ways to apply leverage than I spend thinking about ways to add create content. You can apply leverage through other people's money, other people work, other people's brainpower... |
This sounds like the seed for another very interesting thread, article, or even a site.
I'd love to listen in to the thinking you're doing, if you care to share.
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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:53 pm
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | However, building such websites is only one possible choice among an almost endless variety of choices.
However, the Internet is so vast and the options so incredibly broad that we have the freedom to design our own business however we like. |
Yes of course, I agree completely. Please pardon (as you always so generously do) my bottomless need to always poke, prod and explore the boundaries of the group consensus.
I agree, buying articles is one more tool in the toolbox and it can be used wisely or not, like any other tool.
It's not an either/or situation and I can see myself working towards a happy marriage between cheap bulk produced articles and hopefully unique and personalized content.
Every single page doesn't need to pass the test of being original content so long as we can look each page in the eye and see that it actually delivers something useful.
I'm working on branding all my content with my name, partly to harness my own ego energy, personalize my selling etc, but also as kind of a safety precaution to keep me from getting carried away with mass producing content whose main function is really just search engine bait.
Maybe that's a useful guideline. If we would be willing to put our name and photo on a page and say, "I produced this" then we can go about our publishing in all kinds of different ways, and still keep our perspective and standards within constructive parameters.
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I found www.ArticlesandContent.com not to long ago and contacted the writer for the site. She's looking for business. I'm currently trying her out and seeing if she is any good. Found her site with other Warriors.
You can contact her directly at Vera AT articlesandcontent.com for pricing and other details.
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Let me know how the content turns out. Based on the professionalism of the website, I would run away screaming. Lots of browsers issues..
But the sample content looks good... And the price isn't that bad if she delivers good quality content.
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