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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:49 am
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| Quote: | | Yes, you can buy quality articles for $6 dollars... or $5 or $20. It depends on who your writers are, what the topics are and a few other tips. But it isn't rocket science. If you want to discuss it further, start a new topic |
Good idea Eric. Let's talk about good ways to find writers, shall we?
I've never quite plugged in to elance and other free lance middleman type sites. It's just the shopping environment that hooks me.
I'd like to visit a site specifically profiling web content writers. A page by/about each writer, with examples, prices etc.
Anybody know of such a resource?
It seems discussions of $5 articles never get around to showing examples, so I've wondered how good they can be myself. Hopefully I'm just ignorant. What say you?
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Phil, I don't know if such a resource exists... maybe we should find a backer and start one... 
I have been watching bids on Rent-A-Coder (suggested by Gary's book) and they seem to be running around $4-7 depending on the author. After reading about HotNacho (which was paying $3 per article) I think that careful review is definately in order on anything you purchase. HotNacho got some spammy, low quality articles when buying them in batches of 400 for $1200.
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | | It seems discussions of $5 articles never get around to showing examples, so I've wondered how good they can be myself. Hopefully I'm just ignorant. What say you? |
Gary has some examples in his ebook and has some links to some of the articles he has purchased for his sites. One of the big items with hiring writers is to only accept what you want. Don't accept and pay for an article that isn't up to quality. If it isn't quality, reject it until it meets your criteria.
And I think the $5 an article is good for short and medium length articles, but $6 or $7 (or more) may be needed for larger articles.
And then you get into the "authority" aspect of the articles. Many articles can be written for $5 each and make great web content, but aren't the pinacle of authority. Obviously, you might have to pay more for those...
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My wife is a freelance writer, she mostly writes to Newspapers in Taiwan. Depending on article, she will get 50-150 USD. It takes lot of background checking and studying to get it all right. Basically an article per day is the norm.
5 USD article of course starts from the mindset that the writer just let's ones fingers do the talking and studying, thinking and background checking is non-existent.
Now someone might say that ordering articles from experts cuts down the learning curve and all there is to do is the writing. Maybe so, but I expect an article to have something more than sensible writing.
Surely cheaply bought articles work well as search engine attractors and visitors probably spend some time to read them, but are those articles so good that they keep on coming back for more. |
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Hi,
I use a lot of freelance writers from rentacoder.com. It all depends on the purpose of the article, and the country of your writer.
It is very simple, people from India ask less than say the US. Most writers from India write good english, however not in the same way a native US would. So, if you are willing to accept a little "accent" you can get very well researched articles. However, even than an well researched article would go around $25.
As far the quality, I always view it as with magazines... you have those that have a nice popular but superficial ring to it.. (that would be $5), and you have real resources that would be much higher...
You need some good resources for credibility and linking, the cheaper ones also have their purpose like search engines. Of course, I don't mean spam.
If you combine it with Adsense $5 articles will give you nice CTR (people mostly don't find the real info they want, so the ads are a good alternative ) and, mostly, a fast return on investement, as they are relatively cheap.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:09 am
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | | It seems discussions of $5 articles never get around to showing examples, so I've wondered how good they can be myself. Hopefully I'm just ignorant. What say you? |
I was slow to get involved in this for exactly the same reasons. I mistakenly assumed an article bought for only $5 couldn't possibly be any good.
However, one of my assistants is using elance to buy a series of articles for $5 each. The quality is surprisingly good - much better than I'd hoped for. The articles require almost no editing. We're buying all the articles the author has time to write. We've also had experience with an author who needed educating and needed to be taught how plagiarism can be spotted easily by using Copyscape.com.
I'm sure you'll hear good tales and bad. You need to tread carefully.
The quality of the writing we're buying is MUCH better than the quality of most of the writing I see on affiliate sites.
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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:52 pm
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Thanks everybody, I appreciate the discussion.
Um, Copyscape looks remarkably like Google. Just a coincidence I'm sure...
A friend on another board confidentially showed me some articles she bought for $5, and I must admit, they are pretty darn good. So, the price is cheap, but will require careful shopping. Seems realistic and reasonable to me.
Andy Williams of ez-search-engine-optimization.com says he expects to make $3-5 per month for each article he puts on his sites. Anybody care to comment on that figure from your own experience?
I thought Andy was showing his value as a teacher when he put the web content biz that simply.
What do you guys think about the shopping experience at rent-a-coder, elance and other such sites? What would be the ideal interface for shopping for writers?
Thanks again!
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:00 pm
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| Quote: | | What do you guys think about the shopping experience at rent-a-coder, elance and other such sites? What would be the ideal interface for shopping for writers? |
A lot depends on your niche. If you have a techie niche, then rent-a-code can be a good place to hire writers. Many other niches will work there also, but some just won't. Not because rent-a-code is bad, but most of the folks who hang out on rent-a-coder aren't content writers by profession... they just do that on the side.
So it can be hard to find people who really know about a topic. However, in most cases, the writer doesn't really have to know about the topic... the just need to be able to write based on keywords you give them.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:34 pm
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| Phil Tanny wrote: |
Andy Williams of ez-search-engine-optimization.com says he expects to make $3-5 per month for each article he puts on his sites. Anybody care to comment on that figure from your own experience?
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That really depends on the niche, number of backlinks, etc. But yes, you can get there.
I generally find most of my sites start earning at least $1 per month per article. If you consider you spent $5-$10 per article, it's an nice return on investment. My goal by time I get out of college (2.5 yrs) is to have at least 6,000 to 8,000 articles published across my sites. I don't want to say guaranteed, but I should have a good chance of making at least $6,000 per month then.
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If I just count Adsense income (easiest to related to the income of a page)
i have the following experience on my software business, lingerie, entertainment and extreme sports sites:
$5 ROI around 1-3 months
$25 ROI around 4-10 months
all of course depending on keyword, traffic etc.
The $25 give you extra benefits like links and authority.
I use RentACoder. As there are more tech oriented people the articles
for my software business site are much better in content. That doesn't
mean the rest is not good
ABout shopping experience:
- look at other bid requests
- copy and paste and alter the posts you like best, and create your own
- start with ca batches of $50, it is low enough to afford a bad experiences, and high enough for the good writers to be interesting (1 $5 article will not light there fire)
- ask for samples
- set clear deadlines
- help them remind them about those deadlines
- be clear in your wishes
- if you have a bad experience, don't sweat it... try again and look for another
- check out the ratings and especially the people that provided those ratings.
Hope this helps
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:30 pm
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| affiliatemax wrote: | | In other words, will we be able to read some of these articles here to convince the sceptics that quality articles can be bought for $5? |
If people don't trust my word by now, they're probably better off spending their time elsewhere. I'm not selling elance, just recommending a service I've found useful.
Perhaps I'll display the site one day as a case study, perhaps not. I'm sick and tired of copycats and thieves, so I may not. (Warning to thieves: One day I'll get organized and start using Copyscape.com to find you and send letters to your web hosts to shut you down, so start now rewriting the material you stole from my sites.)
OK. I've shown the $5 articles to Phil Tanny. Perhaps he'll offer a second opinion.
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | | Andy Williams of ez-search-engine-optimization.com says he expects to make $3-5 per month for each article he puts on his sites. Anybody care to comment on that figure from your own experience? |
Well, let's see... If you have 100 articles on your site, that would be $300 to $500 a month in revenue.
That matches fairly closely my recommendation in my free Affiliate Program Tutorial that a newcomer should set a goal of earning $300 a month. It's doable, if you're prepared to work through what needs to be done, have reasonable writing ability, and lots of persistence.
You're not going to add a nice, neat and tidy $3 to $5 a month with each article you add to your site. It might be better to regard that as an over-all average to aim for. You'll strike it lucky with some articles and less lucky with others, especially when you're starting out. The better job you do of choosing key phrases, the "luckier" you'll be.
I have a brand new site which is getting almost no traffic so far. Adding one article to it or 20 articles won't help it's revenue in any visible way, or not immediately, because it needs a whole lot more links to the site. In total contrast, I have an older, well established site to which I've just added a product review, and that article is earning me a lot more than $3 a day.
You're going to have a huge range of experience depending on the details involved.
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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:17 pm
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | | (Warning to thieves: One day I'll get organized and start using Copyscape.com to find you and send letters to your web hosts to shut you down, so start now rewriting the material you stole from my sites.) |
Has anybody started a business providing this service? How about a central registry listing known copy theives? Surely there must be more that can be done to these folks than forcing them to move to a new host, a job easily accomplished in a day.
I must admit a life long fascination with the fact that we the decent 95% seem unable to defeat the loser 5%.
| AllanGardyne wrote: | | OK. I've shown the $5 articles to Phil Tanny. Perhaps he'll offer a second opinion. |
Yes, I can verify that the articles Allan bought seem as good or better than much of what I've read across the Net. I'd buy them and use them. I might fiddle with them to satisfy my creative perfectionist tendencies, but from a purely business point of view, I'd guess that would be mostly a waste of time, in the case of these articles.
Despite my initial skeptism I think we have to acknowledge it's a big world out there. Lots of people in lots of different situations. If my only other choice was working at the Burger King for $8/hr, I'd be delighted to write $5 articles instead.
My take is the $5 articles are there, but you have to work to find them. It's probably tiresome work upfront, but once you find the right couple of writers for you, you're off to the races. I haven't done this myself, this is just my impression from our discussion.
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | | You're not going to add a nice, neat and tidy $3 to $5 a month with each article you add to your site. It might be better to regard that as an over-all average to aim for. |
As usual, that makes sense. Perhaps the trick is to change the focus from "per article" to "per 100 articles" or some such.
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