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ebg
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:18 am
Post subject: What am I doing wrong?
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What am I doing wrong?
I have an affiliate website that has about 70 high content keyword rich pages. I have 363 total links among Alltheweb (99), AltaVista (102), Google (25) , MSN (10), Yahoo (102), hot bot (25), many are related themes. I continue to try to build links through anchored text and articles. I even have one of my article published on another site that shows up in position 13 on a main keyword. It has a live link to my site.
I have submitted to all the major directories discussed in this post http://www.associateprograms.com/discus/ftopic3250-0.html. However, my positioning in google is not improving much. I am assuming it is a result of my link popularity.
If I do a search for the domain of the number 1 site in my niche I find roughly 782 links. This is a lot of links that will take me probably a year to get if I do it the normal way. I notice a lot of sites have thousands of links.
How are webmasters doing this? Are they buying links? Is this a viable strategy or will the SEO penalize you if to many links to your site happen to fast?
Does anyone have suggestion on what I can do to improve my positioning? When buying links is quantity (lost of low page rank with revelant them) or quality (a few with very high page rank with a revelant theme) better?
Thank you,
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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:45 am
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I'm not sure on buying links, that's something I want to explore myself.
Instead of looking at the #1 site in your niche, who shows up in the number 10 slot? How many links do they have?
How much traffic are you getting from search engines? What are your highest rankings?
Sorry, I know this doesn't help you much, I'm just curious how far your efforts have taken you so far. It sounds like you're doing the right stuff, and just need to do more.
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ebg
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:17 am
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Phil -
I checked out the number 10 position and it has even more links 2600, number nine has 2130 and number 8 has 768. I am getting about 275 hits a month total. Maybe about 50 from google and some from yahoo, aol, msn but not as many as google.
I have 3 - 5 keyword pages positioned around 28 - 35, but these are real low vol keywords less than 20 searches.
It just seems that these other sites have an extraordinary amount of links. I am not sure if I can ever get that many.
Anyway, thank you.
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ebg
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:29 am
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Eric -
My site has been indexed for at least 3 months. I have had what I consider to be good page views from googlebot, 185 in Jan 05, 208 Dec 04, 158 in Nov 04. MSBbot has not been as friendly only about 45 per month. Inktomi Slurp has been about 100+ per month.
I currently have a page rank of 3 in google.
I am going to work on adding content, but I am currently focusing on linking and article writing to build links. Do you think content is more important?
Secondly, how many months does it normally take before a site is fully indexed and performing well?
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 6:04 am
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Ebg,
Three months is not a lot of time. Keep adding more content and more links and after a few more months you should see more growth. When I started I really thought that I would have been making money in no time. But as with many other website owners, that certainly wasn't the case.
Don't worry. Press on. I wouldn't worry too much about competing with sites on google either. I stopped doing this a long time ago. Just build content and add links and you'll be good to go.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:54 am
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We can keep doing the guessing work by looking at the links of top 10 websites in the search engines but i have hard evidence that some high PR link to a website dont show up in any link query across any search engine. So we can keep doing our best and hope to make money some day.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:10 pm
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| ebg wrote: | | Do you think content is more important? |
I would say it is very important. Not sure about more...
All those articles you are writing to get the links back to your site. Do you post them at your own site as well? If not, you should consider it. It means new content for you, and articles with inbound links as well.
Links coming in are good... but w/out lots of quality content, they don't mean much.
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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:24 pm
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| ebg wrote: | | It just seems that these other sites have an extraordinary amount of links. I am not sure if I can ever get that many. |
Well, you can if you buy them, but I understand your hesitation.
I'm planning this experiment, has anybody done it already?
I was going to launch a new site, one that isn't crucial to my future etc. I would be careful to not promote it anywhere. Then I'd buy a bunch of links, and wait, and see what happens. So the only traffic source would be the links themselves, and whatever search engine traffic they get me.
If this works, it seems like a very promising way to get going. Drive your PR up fast, THEN do your regular link partner campaign, with a decent PR. As you build the regular link partners you could back off on buying links, or keep it going.
One thing to keep in mind is that Google itself is in the text link selling business. It wouldn't make a ton of sense for them to punish folks who buy links.
(But who says things have to make sense, so your caution is probably wise)
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 5:13 am
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ebg,
If you site has only been around for little unde 5 months, it's in the Google Sandbox. Google has a filter on brand new domain's entering the world wide web. As for the other 2 big search engines (Yahoo! and MSN), those are pretty easy to manipulate through a good amount of anchor texted incoming links and on-page optimization of keyword density.
I would suggest you keep on building pages of content. Those pages will start to rank will in Google eventually. Continue to get incoming links. Try and only get one-way incoming links. Paying for links is a great way to get ranked. Try to get your site listed in DMOZ.org as well.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:48 pm
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Phil,
I'm experimenting with a new site and buying links. I'll let you all know in a few months how well it works. My research indicates it should work out very well, except for run of site links. As a cost-recovery, if the PR gets high enough, I might consider renting ad space on the site myself.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:24 pm
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Thanks Philip, yes please do let us know how buying links works out for you. Maybe you'd like to write an article for my site? Keep in touch.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:10 pm
Post subject: Why does Google count only 3 of 231 links to me?
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In researching the reason for a sudden catastrophic drop in traffic on my web site in the last two days, I did some Google searches on my site.
'Links:my-site.com' brought 7 links , three of which were internal, and one from my blog. Thus Google believes I have only 3 external links to my site.
Then I searched Google for mentions of "my-site.com". 231 pages were listed. I can't pretend to have visited all 231, but in all I have so far looked at, the name was a working link to me.
Can anyone explain why Google says I have only 3 incoming links when I seem to have around 200?
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:54 pm
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| owl wrote: | | Can anyone explain why Google says I have only 3 incoming links when I seem to have around 200? |
You're not being singled out. Google does that to everyone.
Google used to show only high PageRank sites that linked to a site. Some time ago, it changed its policy and these days it often appears to be displaying almost a random selection of backlinks.
It's ridiculous, isn't it? It makes the "Backlinks" feature in the Google toolbar useless. Google seems to be trying to stop search engine optimization experts from figuring out its algorithms.
Here's an article describing how to use other search engines to find out how many sites are linking to you:
http://www.AssociatePrograms.com/backlinks.shtml
Yahoo! is much more useful than Google for finding backlinks.
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