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rolen · **Joined**: 05 Nov 2004 **Posts**: 7 **Location**: USA

I've read several articles that claim that the smart way to start a business is where you sell products via online auctions or your own website, then forward the orders you get to the dropship supplier. The supplier ships the product to your buyer as if it came directly from you. You make money on the difference between your advertised price and the price the supplier charges you. Is it worthwhile venture?

edburdo · Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:41 pm Post subject:

Depends on how much time you want to put into your business.

Drop shipping is like any other business... it takes time and effort.

Affiliate market is a little different... you spend time and effort to get going, then you only need to spend time and effort to expand (such as more traffic, or new products, etc). With drop-shipping you are constantly pushing for more traffic, more customers etc. Much like running a regular store.
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Voasi · Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:40 am Post subject:

Drop shipping is an excellent start in the online arena. True...it is a little different then affiliate marketing, but still better then having the over-head costs of running your own business with employees, warehousing, product development, etc...

Do a search for "Chris Malta". IMO, he's the expert online for dropshipping. You'll find a lot of good informational articles he provides. Also, his directory his the best online, bar-none! Smile

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gwcollins · Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject:

Hello, I used to know a prison guard whose talented 17 yr old son made as much as $10,000/month selling on ebay with the method of drop shipping. He and his son formed a corporation. This was a part time business for this high school student.

Gary Smile

busylady54 · **Joined**: 29 Nov 2004 **Posts**: 3

I have been dropshipping my products being sold on ebay for about a year. Although I would like to have in-house stock, it would be costly for me to pay two shipping fees. So I would say dropshipping is good and feasable for any small business. Caution, make sure you have a reputable company you are doing business with as far as dropshipping goes.

Jacqui

vaibhav · Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:16 pm Post subject:

Drop shipping can be a great source of income Can some one tell me How to find a good drop shipping company. Like if i sell some products on my site and want to get them dropshipped then can any company do the dropshipping job or only the company which manufactures the product will do the drop shipping of that product ???

edburdo · Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject:

Follow my affiliate link below. Smile

http://www.the-drop-ship-guide.com/

The Drop Ship Source Directory has some excellent tools, and very reasonably priced. And they are legit. They have an excellent rating with eBay, BBB and other companies.
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Cyclops · **Joined**: 02 Nov 2004 **Posts**: 6

Before you pay up for the drop ship directory be aware that unless you are in the USA and selling inside the USA that there are very few companies in the directory that will deal with you.
I approached countless companies listed in both the wholesale and drop ship lists and only a couple had the courtesy to reply.
When I bought this up with Chris Malta the response was less than satisfactory.

Also be very careful, you will notice there is a ring of people with vested interests in recommending a lot of these products, they are all affiliates for each others products. It is not impartial advice that you are receiving.

Michael.

Silver Strike · **Joined**: 07 Dec 2004 **Posts**: 1

I am new to to the MLM system and would love to hear about good opprtunities.

pls email me only serious projects at: nobs@haad.org

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Chris Malta · **Joined**: 22 Jan 2005 **Posts**: 7

Cyclops, this is the second time I've seen you post negative comments about my company on this Forum. While it is certainly important for everyone to be able to voice an opinion, it is also important that the information voiced contains accurate facts, and your posts are misleading.

You state that you used our Drop Ship Source Directory to contact 20 to 30 companies, and only one replied. Sorry, but I don't believe that. The companies listed in our Directories are personally contacted and verified by an entire Research Staff here at our offices. Our Directories are not some simple "list". They are live, dynamic databases of companies that WANT to be listed there, and are fully verified to be genuine wholesale souces willing to work with Internet Business, and Drop Ship as well. We are in constant contact with those companies, and they are always responsive. Any company that becomes unresponsive for any reason is removed from our Directories.

You call my company's products a scam. That statement is grossly unfair and completely inaccurate.

You don't have to take my word for it, though. Ask eBay Corporate themselves, for example. We're one of less than 40 companies in the entire WORLD that has been admitted to the eBay Certified Solution Provider Program. That Certification doesn't come in a box of Crackerjacks, cyclops. We went through an intensive screening process with eBay, including meeting with several Directors and Channel Managers at eBay Corporate in San Jose, California, before being approved as a Solution Provider for eBay. eBay does not endorse in any way any company that they are not certain of.

Similarly, Entrepreneur Magazine has contracted me to provide the content for and to Host their Entrepreneur Magazine EBiz Radio Show. Entrepreneur Magazine went over us with the same fine-tooth comb before deciding to do that.

Also, eBay Corporate has invited me to speak on Product Sourcing at two Panel Disuccions and one Roundtable Discussion at the eBay Live Convention in San Jose this coming year. eBay is EXTREMELY picky about who they choose to speak at eBay Live. Why don't you contact them and tell them you think we are a "scam"? I guarantee that they have researched our company and products far more thoroughly than you have, and do not share your opinion.

So, YOU think we're some kind of "scam", and eBay Corporate and Entrepreneur Magazine do not. I'm sure the readers of this Forum can make up their own minds as to who has the more credible voice here.

You go on to say "I am in Australia and many of the companies on the list say they won't do business with companies outside the US, thats okay, at least they are upfront about it but I didn't bother approaching those companies, only the ones that said they will ship worldwide."

Cyclops, our web site is very clear on the fact that you should not try to use US Drop Shippers to supply your customers outside the US. This is simply common sense. Do you have any idea what the shipping costs would be? We clearly tell people who are outside the US to use those Drop Shippers to market to the US only. The reason we list the fact that companies will ship worldwide is because that's part of their company Profile. That's information that comes from them, not us.

You say "I approached Chris about the lack of response and all I received back from him was "keep trying".

Not true. I have NEVER recieved an email on this kind of subject to which I simply replied "keep trying". We have certain things that we explain in certain ways to people about our products, and in this situation, "keep trying" is not our response. If you ever did email us on this issue, you would have been told exactly what I just explained above, and most likely offered a refund on the spot. That's part of our Customer Service Policy, so please don't make incorrect statements for the sake of trying to make us look bad.

You say "I find it really ironic that this book has been released, Chris Malta and Sydney Johnston's book, Product Sourcing Scams Revealed."

Once again, everybody else has a different opinion. That EBook has been selling on eBay for 99 CENTS, with ALL the proceeds donated to The Boys And Girls Clubs Charities. The EBook has been VERY well recieved on eBay.

You say "Also be very careful, you will notice there is a ring of people with vested interests in recommending a lot of these products, they are all affiliates for each others products. It is not impartial advice that you are receiving."

That is the most ridiculous, left-field comment I have ever read on an Affiliate Forum. What you want people to believe is some kind of conspiracy is simply a group of businesses who believe in each other's products and use each other's Affiliate Programs. Isn't that the basis for ALL Affiliate marketing? I can't even imagine where you came up with a statement like that!

Michael, I don't know what kind of axe you have to grind with us. Whether you are a competitor, an Affiliate for someone else's products, or simply someone who would rather put down something they didn't research well or understand, but all you had to do was write to us and request a refund if you had a problem with any of our products. Less than two percent of our tens of thousands of customers do that. You would have been refunded immediately. Instead, you choose to spread completely inaccurate information about us in public Forums.

You also said, "I have noticed on various forums his name cropping up more frequently with the same concerns."

We regularly search the Internet for references to our company and my name, and anyone in this Forum, if they choose to do the same, will find that the VERY FEW negative posts concerning me or my company all come from the same group of LESS THAN TEN people, YOURSELF INCLUDED, who repeatedly post this kind of nonsense for reasons that we do not understand. Jim Wilson, Owner of the Auction Hints Forum, finally got tired of those same few people and removed all their posts. When he did so, he stated in part that he believed some of those people to be competitors of ours in this market who were trying to trash us in order to gain business. He commented that others simply didn't seem to know what they are talking about.

Phil Wiley, one of the world's foremost Affiliate Marketers (and one of your fellow Aussies), did the same thing on his Affiliate Forum. In fact, I think it may have been you whose negative posts he decided to remove. He is an Affiliate of ours, having researched our company and products carefully, and grew tired of the same few people with the same inaccurate posts.

If you have some kind of problem with us, talk to US. We're always here and always happy to help. If you have some other agenda, that will become obvious to others over time.
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Superpreneurs.com · **Joined**: 06 Oct 2004 **Posts**: 146

All I can say is Chris' directory ROCKS for people in the US...

For those of us outside the US (even those of us who sell to US markets) it's not nearly as good...

But that's common sense. I'll be using it when I move to the States in two years.

So that's from a fellow Aussie who is aware of the problems... It is a good program guys, if you drop-ship and live in the US... go for it... it's excellent.

And I'm not an affiliate nor do I make money from this, just to dispel any myths before they start.

And I DID ask for a refund and Chris' team provided one immediately and without question...

-Dan
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Chris Malta · **Joined**: 22 Jan 2005 **Posts**: 7

Thank you, Dan.

Your post is to the point, and of course accurately describes the situation regarding using US Drop Shippers from outside the US. It is a good deal more difficult that using them within the US, but it can be done.

We appreciate your taking the time to describe your experience with our company. Very Happy

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Cyclops · **Joined**: 02 Nov 2004 **Posts**: 6

Hi Chris

I re-read my previous post thinking because of your response I must have gone overboard when writing it.

I find I didn't, I stand by what I said.

I will answer a couple of points you raise.

I contacted your office twice and received a response from Tisha,
The first response in part.....

>>>It generally takes anywhere from 24 hours to 2 weeks before the suppliers can get back with you. If that time frame has elapsed then you should contact the suppliers directly either via email or phone. We list around 50 suppliers that are not in the US.

Because of trade agreements etc, many suppliers cannot ship anywhere else other than the country OR state that they are located. That is another thing to remember. That is why many brands have factory authorized distributors in every state.<<<

That's okay, try again by refining the list.
I approached around 20 although I knew some of these wouldn't be suitable.
This time I received three replies but these were not suitable without other products to compliment them. Murphy's law also kicked in, one response was from a company with the product being "granite tables", I know, I know, I shouldn't have contacted them in the first place but I couldn't resist..lol. At least they did reply offering to set up an account.

So I emailed your office a second time...the response from Tisha was very brief but said, keep trying.
A refund was never offered and both responses were brief. I still have the longer one saved.
The second one wasn't worth keeping.
True I never asked for a refund thinking some good may come from your list in the future.
So far that hasn't happened.

It wasn't the fact that I wanted to ship outside the US that was the problem, I didn't.....the problem is those companies won't open an account with anyone from outside the US. They don't even have the courtesy to reply to an application.

This is the Internet....I can target any market I want to. If a company won't ship outside the US (yes I do understand the cost's involved) then fine, I would make it clear that the product I am promoting is confined to the area available.

>>> In fact, I think it may have been you whose negative posts he decided to remove. <<<
Please don't make comments like that unless you actually know, it doesn't help your credibility....for the record it was not me. I have no axe to grind, I just responded to two threads, I am certainly not a competitor, just thought that I would share my experience so others outside the US don't waste their time as I did.

>>> That is the most ridiculous, left-field comment I have ever read on an Affiliate Forum. <<<
Actually it's not that ridiculous but I have said enough on this subject.

The bottom line is, your directory might be fine for people living in the US, but for the rest of the world, I don't think so.
Maybe you should mention that on your website. Perhaps "World Wide Brands" is not the ideal name for your company...

Regards,
Michael.

Chris Malta · **Joined**: 22 Jan 2005 **Posts**: 7

You don't think you went overboard? You called me a scammer, Michael. That's way overboard. Yet you chose not to answer that in the "couple of points" that you selected to reply to.

You need to learn more about someone before you go off the deep end and make accusations like that. It's incorrect, it's irresponsible, and it's to some degree malicious. I have worked myself half to death for five years to produce a scrupulously honest product. I take it very personally when some armchair quarterback comes along, looks at less than two percent of it, and publicly calls it a scam. No amount of dissembling or selective memory in your replies will convince me to let go of a public slander of my name and my business.

You just said "I contacted your office twice and received a response from Tisha".

Yet in an earlier post, you said "I approached Chris about the lack of response and all I received back from him was "keep trying". "

You very specifically said in that earlier post that you approached ME, and received a response from ME. Now it's "Tisha" that you talked to. Your story is changing to suit your needs. If I were you, I wouldn't be raising points about "credibility", Michael.

You said "The bottom line is, your directory might be fine for people living in the US, but for the rest of the world, I don't think so.
Maybe you should mention that on your website."

Two points here:

1. How can something that "might be fine" be a scam? Make up your mind, please.

2. Here is a direct quote from our web site:

While our Directories do work for businesses outside the US, you should be aware that only about 30% of the Suppliers we list in the Drop Ship Source Directory and about 60% in the Light Bulk Wholesale Directory will be able to work with you if you are NOT a US-based business.

This has a lot to do with trade and export agreements that these Suppliers have with their manufacturers, regarding selling outside the US. Doing so could put them into direct and unfair competition with Suppliers of the same products in other countries.

In order to sell most effectively to the US market from other countries, you need to either find and work with a partner who resides in the US, or set yourself up as a US Corporation.

You should be able to find information on incorporating as a US business: here.

You'll need a US Merchant Account as well. We have been told that the US requires the following for any Merchant Account in the US:

1. A US social security or Tax ID number.

2. A US business residence.

3. A US checking account.

To obtain these three things, an INTERNATIONAL merchant must Incorporate in the US, as mentioned above. Once incorporated, an INTERNATIONAL merchant can go to a "Mailboxes Etc.", or other mailbox service in the US and use that as the business residence.

Read the material before you run around telling people it isn't there.

You said "True I never asked for a refund thinking some good may come from your list in the future."

Let's see, you publicly denounce something as a scam, yet you don't ask for a refund, thinking "some good may come from it in the future". Are you listening to yourself, or are you just making this up as you go along?

Send us an email at your earliest opportunity, so that we can refund you. You should have done that long ago, before you decided to pose as an informed source and tried to influence other people's decisions on a subject you are clearly not even sure of yourself.

You said "Perhaps "World Wide Brands" is not the ideal name for your company..."

The name of my company has nothing to do with this little discussion, as we both know. Making statements like this to throw readers off the subject is a last resort of someone who knows they are wrong. However, I'll answer that point as well, with two points of my own:

1. We list products from nearly 5,000 Brands in our Directories. Are you saying that they are all US owned and manufactured Brand Names? We both know better. They are Brands that are owned and manufactured by companies from all around the world, Michael. Hence the name.

2. Follow our upcoming Radio Show, Newsletter and Blog accounts of our 8 day Product Sourcing trip to China this coming March. That "Worldwide" enough for you?

You were wrong to call me and my company a scam in a public Forum. A responsible adult would be able to admit that without trying to wriggle out from under the issue.
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