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pattyaz
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 2:31 am
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Several years ago I was really taken with Ken Evoy's program. It seemed like he was the first man that had integrity in this field. He promised many many years ago that he was going stop taking affiliates soon and this many years later I see that was not true.
I was in the program when Site Build It came out and I have been Site Builded to death!! That's all I hear from his program and that's all I see on other sites.
If you make your affiliate programs the usual ones with that program, Cory Rudl, Declan Dunn, etc., my opinion is that people will just see your site as any other site. The same old, same old. Believe me they have seen those ads so many times it's pathetic cause they never did shut their doors on affiliates.
I want my site to look unique, not like "any other site." I want people to feel they aren't seeing a repeat of everything they have seen.
I'm sorry but I have tremendous respect for Allan Gardner (sp?). His newsletter is FULL of fantastic info and it'sthe only e-commerce one I get. But his list of favorite affiliates are the same for years and years and years and a lot of it is political. He is pals with Ken Evoy. Come on folks. Do Something Different!!!!! Be different and don't let those "gurus" tell you you should not have a site in e-commerce because you come against the pros. Phooeeey!!!
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 3:52 am
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I agree Pattyaz, I don't want my site looking like every other site, nor do I want the same old content they have. The trick is finding a unique perspective to make your site stand out.
Once you find your theme, or niche, your own unique perspective of bringing it to your audience is what makes you stand out. Whether you use humor or a different view of how to use the information you provide, my feeling is when you make it your own ... like noone else has, you are geared to stand out from the crowd.
My 2 cents,
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 4:40 am
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Got to thinking some more on your post and wanted to add some other thought.
I think the way Ken and Allan stand out the most is their honesty and integrity. Their ability to keep it simple and straightforward, and their commitment to overdeliverying on their promises.
| Quote: | | His newsletter is FULL of fantastic info and it'sthe only e-commerce one I get. But his list of favorite affiliates are the same for years and years and years and a lot of it is political. He is pals with Ken Evoy. |
I think Allan would be the first to tell you, they became friends after Allan became an affiliate and believe so highly in Ken's products. Also, Allan would be the first to tell you he didn' t endorse SBI until after he hired someone with no internet marketing experience to put SBI through the paces every newbie would face.
He and Ken were friends way before Allan's endorsement of SBI, and Allan would not endorse it until he came up with a way to test it by fire, and it passed. That says a lot.
A lot of the same programs are promoted by a lot of the same people when they are in a niche together, and Internet Marketing is a large niche with a lot of the same products being promoted by the top affiliates. I agree, but if you look at other niche sites, in other categories, you might find the same thing.
I think the reason why is the best products offered within a niche tend to rise to the top. The affiliates that are smart enough to know the difference between a good average mediocre or poor product are the ones you see the most because they know what they are doing.
Just my 2 cents, again 
Debs
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Charlie
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 12:12 pm
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Hello.
| pattyaz wrote: | | Several years ago I was really taken with Ken Evoy's program. It seemed like he was the first man that had integrity in this field. He promised many many years ago that he was going stop taking affiliates soon and this many years later I see that was not true. |
How much of a motivational ploy this was, who knows, but either way, Ken says he is about to eliminate the affiliates who are not active - those not sending new traffic, rather than those not making sales, as far as I understand it.
| pattyaz wrote: | | I was in the program when Site Build It came out and I have been Site Builded to death!! That's all I hear from his program and that's all I see on other sites. |
I know the feeling... what's happened to the other products? MYPS and MYWS still cover ground not covered by SBI, and in fact it could be argued that lately there's been a little too much emphasis on getting traffic, and not enough on what to do with it. Maybe MYWS could come in handy here? 
| pattyaz wrote: | | But his list of favorite affiliates are the same for years and years and years and a lot of it is political. He is pals with Ken Evoy. Come on folks. Do Something Different!!!!! |
That's the trouble when you "mix business with pleasure"!
Seriously, though, I often like to stick with products that have stood the test of time (with revisions if necessary).
| pattyaz wrote: | | Be different and don't let those "gurus" tell you you should not have a site in e-commerce because you come against the pros. |
Some of them were saying that in 1997! Good job Yanik Silver and everyone else didn't listen.
| Debs wrote: | | I think the way Ken and Allan stand out the most is their honesty and integrity. Their ability to keep it simple and straightforward, and their commitment to overdeliverying on their promises. |
Warning: "dangerous conjecture" ahead... When it comes to "overdelivering on their promises", I think SiteSell have bitten off more than they can chew with SBI! Certain modules are still a year late, as I keep on reminding everyone to no avail.
All the best,
Charlie.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:58 pm
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I just dont get it allen's top 10 are all internet marketing related products, should we build sites around these products? even though allen says not to becuase its to competitive, but still makes them the top 10?! very confusing...
He should have a top 10 that isnt internet marketing related... |
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AllanGardyne
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:05 am
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Thanks for the kind comments, folks.
| Guest wrote: | I just dont get it allen's top 10 are all internet marketing related products, should we build sites around these products? even though allen says not to becuase its to competitive, but still makes them the top 10?! very confusing...
He should have a top 10 that isnt internet marketing related... |
I'll try to clear up the confusion...
My Top 10 is simply based on my experience. It's nothing more than that. It just lists the affiliate programs that make the most money for AssociatePrograms.com. (The introduction explains that, by the way.) That's why Ken Evoy's program has been at the top of the list for years, and Marlon Sanders and Corey Rudl are usually high up.
A top 10 that's not marketing related? Wonderful idea, but I've put that in the too-hard basket. There are many thousands of affiliate programs and
I haven't tried most of them. I prefer to write from first-hand experience.
The best I could come up with was allowing everyone to vote on affiliate programs - to rank them. You can do that by going to the AssociatePrograms.com directory and clicking on a link which is beside every listing in the directory.
Why don't I publicize that more? Because, although the ranking system has anti-fraud measures built in, it's still too susceptible to fraud. So the votes aren't reliable. In fact, a couple of times we've scrubbed them and started again.
Should you build sites around marketing products? Perhaps, if you're very good at marketing. No, if you're just starting out - it's too competitive. It's much easier to get a No.1 ranking in Google for an overlooked niche.
I believe you have the best chance of success if you look for a less competitive niche. That's why I recommend it.
Every new site we've built in the last two years has been on a NON-marketing topic.
Hope that helps.
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pattyaz
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 7:52 am
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I think everyone brings up great points.
In a nutshell here is what I think. We should pick our niche site based on what we love to do and in fact MYSS talks about that. That was a GREAT product and I learned a lot. However I was doing my mental health sites long before I read that book and I light up everyday just doing what I enjoy. I took up e-commerce to take a break from mental health.
When I began to study e-commerce and went to many sites I was sickened by zilch integrity and downright lies, etc.
I think the reason that folks like Allan Gardyne are such a success is I am guessing they light up in their work and it is important I think that both Ken Evoy and Allan reveal their personalities in their newsletters. It makes the newsletters all that more interesting and they both talk like a real human being and show integrity.
Now in Allan's newsletters every word he says isn't to try to sell you something. Sure he is making money and he is supposed to but he gives out fantastic free information. He makes it interesting and I'm not sure how he does it.
I've got a mental health newsletter that goes out to over 3,000 people and what I hear back most from folks is they love my personal stories where I turn it around and use it to assist them. They say with all the research info I put, etc, the part they like the best is the personal part. It is encouraging to them I think.
So I think Allan sells products that are good but his site is different then all the other sites selling the same thing because he appears to show himself - his true personality and that makes his site unique because every human is unique.
I just got a domain name for my tiny e-commerce site and moved it and prolly the links are still wrong. It's www.makemoneydot.com
I think this forum is great. I tried it years ago and all people did was leave their sales pitch. |
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Charlie
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:37 am
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Hello again.
| pattyaz wrote: | | I think this forum is great. I tried it years ago and all people did was leave their sales pitch. |
So do I. It has really taken off lately.
I think the secret is getting the "polite disagreement" about right.
You need strong (but different) opinions - but this forum is nothing like as savage as most. I know from experience how hard it can be to get strong criticisms across without being perceived as abusive, but it certainly won't stop me trying if I think I've got a strong case.
That said, I seem to be getting more friendly in my old age! 
Keep those questions and opinions coming.
All the best,
Charlie.
P.S. | Allan Gardyne wrote: | | Every new site we've built in the last two years has been on a NON-marketing topic. |
Coming from someone in Allan's position, I think that carries a lot of weight.
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