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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:56 pm
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As a newbie to this forum I think it is censorship to delete posts because moderators don't like them. If it is out of hand, LOCK IT, but don't delete it.
Deleting a topic is confirming the problem. I'm glad I came across this thread. As a SBI user, I need to read the TOS (terms of service) and see what I get and what I don't get.
My impression as a newbie to SBI also was that I got LIFETIME commissions PERIOD, not IF, OR, SHOULD I do something more.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:30 am
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Hi Bob,
Welcome, and I largely agree with your post.
Except, let's not call it censorship if a web site owner decides to edit their own website. The moderators here do a whole bunch of work on our behalf, so let's be gracious and give them some elbow room in return, whether we agree with their decisions or not.
This thread has enormous positive potential, but I'm not sure our community is yet in a position to grasp it.
How does a Net business owner reduce the chances that their prospect pool and customer base will experience the kind of disapointment implied by your use of all caps in your last sentence? How does one conduct one's communications so as to reduce the chance of getting sucked in to one of these negative downward spiral energy waves?
This thread is an available test case illustrating how a good guy, and a good company, can find themselves getting drawn in to a little PR disaster by not fully understanding the cultural environment they are operating in.
If the Net is really a revolutionary new business environment, why are we still using sales copy philosophies left over from the 1940's?
Well, you've heard this song. This thread could go somewhere positive if we wanted it to.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 3:25 pm
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Hello Debs.
| Debs wrote: | | Just to clarify, you do get full access to the forums upon purchase of SBI |
Yes, I agree.
When I said...
| Quote: | | paid up customers don't get full access to the various resources (without a domain) |
...I was meaning the various HQs and the downloadable resources such as Gary Antosh's book.
I asked support and they confirmed "not until a domain in registered".
| Quote: | | but if you join the 5 Pillar Program you can lurk in the full SBI Forums (even if posting is restricted). |
I was saying this as a way of getting a taste of what SBIers are privy to, without buying it - joining 5P.
I probably shouldn't have dumped it all in the same sentence the way I did.
Sorry for the confusion. 
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:15 pm
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Hello Wally.
| administrator wrote: | | I'm in a bit of a quandary here, folks. |
If you mean the puppets/puppetmaster analogy, here's a few words of clarification...
I have tried working string puppets myself - and they can be tricky. I was using the analogy to make a point about big company communication structures...
I think it is unreasonable to assume that employees of a company will necessarily share the same values or standards of their boss. They might do a good job, but it will be their own way to some degree. Bearing in mind their motivation and rewards will be different from their boss (and his vision), this is hardly surprising...
Their value systems will be based on the sum of their life experiences, no-one else's - whatever any of us might hope. I for one reserve the right to respect a company without having to unconditionally love every single employee. (I don't expect them all to love me either.)
This view is certainly not particular to Sitesell, but it was a bit daft of me to post it here in this thread (bearing in mind the title and how it all started). Mixing in "jokes with Phil" didn't help either.
I was trying to use words as triggers (to get a point across), rather than open a new front.
Sorry to make your job harder, Wally. I dare bet you've had just about enough of this thread already.
Cheers,
Charlie.
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:16 pm
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Thanks for the clarification, Charlie.
Yeah, my fuse is short on some issues lately and I jumped the gun in taking one "obvious" interpretation of your punning comments. Heck, you're one of the good guys!!
Keep the banter rolling and I'll try to enjoy it rather than look for hidden meanings.
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 11:11 pm
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Charlie,
Here's an example of the "company inherits boss personality" thing.
Imagine (this will be hard) that Allan was one of those aggressive, pushy, stoke the controversies to build the threads, kind of forum moderators.
Not only would he attract a different group of members, but his behavior would influence the culture developed around the current members. As example, a moderator like that would bring out the worst part of my debate mode personality, rather than serving as a role model for the better half.
So, sure, each employee has his/her own personality, but the group culture of a company, forum or any other human assembly is pretty strongly impacted by whatever example the recognized leader sets.
I can't apply this to SiteSell, and it's admittedly a new era if most people in a company work virtually. I was really just referring to personal experiences I've had in the past.
It's spooky when you're the boss figure. Kind of like being a parent I guess and realizing your kids are going to grow up to be just like you, for better and for worse...
As always, thanks for the yack.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:16 pm
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Hello again Phil.
| Phil Tanny wrote: | | So, sure, each employee has his/her own personality, but the group culture of a company, forum or any other human assembly is pretty strongly impacted by whatever example the recognized leader sets. |
I agree about that people tend to attract or recruit people with similar attitudes and behaviours, but if I were employing someone, I wouldn't for a moment expect them to act for the same reasons I did, even if they did the right thing. It comes round to can you expect someone paid to do a job to put their heart into it? I don't think so, or not to the same level as the visionary leader.
That's the difference with Allan and his forum. We're not paid - well I'm certainly not! 
Seriously, we're "birds of a feather" flocking to the same location through choice. The head Kiwi might lead by example, but if we didn't want to be here, we could soon fly away.
(For the doubters, forum posting pays for VERY few people. There can be benefits to having a sig, but essentially it's a non-monetary choice. For the Star Wars fans, "giving" and "taking" are still fighting over the chronological order of things, and may end up having to settle on a draw.)
| Quote: | I was really just referring to personal experiences I've had in the past.
It's spooky when you're the boss figure. |
The closest I've come to being "the boss figure" was working in a small team (in a previous life). I wouldn't really say management came into it, but aspects of leadership certainly did.
Generally, motivation was excellent (for everyone), and I can honestly say standards were extremely high. They had to be.
That said, I didn't expect the others to be like me, and to be honest I was pretty much the odd one out. In those days I had to act a part, and that aspect is something I don't miss, though the rose tint of the spectacles is increasing with time.
Cheers,
Charlie.
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