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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:24 am
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Hi all,
How do you guys find where you are ranked in the search engines for your keywords?
If I remember correctly SBI has such a tool. So that's one solution. But if you don't use SBI, how do you check your rankings?
I was thinking of coding up a solution for myself, but this seems like a problem that must have been solved long ago.
Ideally what I'd like to do is enter the URL and target keyword(s) for each of my pages in to a database one time. Then when ever I want to check my rankings I hit a button which generates a report showing where my pages are ranked on Google, and maybe other engines (which other engines do you care about the most?)
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:34 am
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Hi Phil,
You could look into purchasing Web Position Gold. Their software does exactly what you describe. You make a list of keywords and then input. Then you pick the search engines you want to check. Within a few minutes, you have a great little list of where you are placed in the SE's.
For a quick fix, you can use http://www.googlerankings.com or http://www.yahoosearchrankings.com . Their are various tools online to help with quering the search engines for keywords.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:14 am
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Thanks Voasi, much appreciated.
Yes, thanks for reminding me of WPG. I've looked in to it a few times, but we work on Macs, and as I recall it's a Windows app (i can run Windows on my Mac, but it's too slow to be fun).
Does WPG store your keyword list(s) for future searches? How would you rate WPG in ease of use terms? Can you figure out how to do what you want to do just by looking at the interface, or is a manual usually necessary?
What I'd like is a database that holds all my keywords for each site. When I log in to the tool I see a list of all my sites. I click a site name, and the tool runs the search, and produces the report. So once you've entered your data, it's a one button push operation on that set of keywords thereafter.
Keeping the reports in another database would allow a history feature where you could compare your listings over time.
The online tools you referred to look very handy for a quick search on a specific term or two. Thanks for those links.
Suppose there was an online tool that kept track of all your keywords for all your sites. Say you could schedule it to send you a ranking report for one or more sites at a specified interval.
Does this exist? If not, would it be useful if it did? Useful enough to pay for and/or link to?
I think I could code such a tool, but I don't have enough experience with rankings research to fully understand what kind of data folks want, how often they want it, and so on.
In other words, any room for improvement in the rankings research arena, or does everybody already have everything they need?
Thanks again!
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:35 am
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Phil,
Another program that will also tell you rankings for specific pages is SEO Elite. (That's more of a side benefit, as it's mainly for managing your link exchanges). I'm planning to purchase SEO Elite - the reason I like it is because it allows you to use your Google API so you won't have to worry about getting into trouble for querying too frequently (well, at least to the max 1000(?) that you're permitted per day).
If you were planning to code a program that would sit on people's hard drives, I think allowing people to use their APIs is a nice benefit.
I know that I'd be interested in the sort of program you're talking about. It would be handy to have the keywords and associated URLs all saved in one spot and be able to generate a ranking report with one click of a button. As for it being an online tool, I do normally prefer to buy software that sits on my computer, though.
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SEO Elite isn't for link exchanges, but Arelis from the same vendor is.
The problem with both of those pieces of software are the updates you need to pay for on a regular basis ... I've used WPG and that's what kept me from upgrading it.
I've never used SEO Elite, but I know WPG queries the SE's automatically, so you have to be careful ... auto queries at Google will get you in trouble otherwise.
I thought a query tool based on the Google API would be a better solution ... then you could query Google w/o repercussions. Honestly, I haven't looked to see if anything like that exists for download, but this site offers it online and lets you save the info to a database, and it's free:
http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/
Here is an article about different tools created from the Google API;
http://www.sitepronews.com/archives/2004/may/26.html
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As usual, Debs is the source of all knowledge on the Internet.  Thanks as always!
I'm about to explore the ranking tool Debs has pointed to, but first I wanted to point out a discovery that will likely interest the Mac users among us.
The google toolbar is not available for Mac so I have to go to http://prsearch.net/ to check the PR of a site. No big deal, except that prsearch is not always working.
Anyway, there is a little widget on the site Debs pointed us to that adds a simple PR display to the Safari browser. Check it out:
http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/pagerank-mac/
Being a Mac thingy, it is of course superior to the Google toolbar , in that it is easier to read.
OK, now I'm on to the rankings tool, which at first glance does look like what I was describing.
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| Quote: | | SEO Elite isn't for link exchanges, but Arelis from the same vendor is. |
Actually, SEO Elite is by Bryxen Software - it used to be called Link Proctor. Debs is right, though. It won't manage your links the way Arelis does. What it does is find potential link partners and also check where your current link partners are and whether they're linking back to you at all. Finding your rankings and which pages of your site are indexed by each of the major search engines seems to be just an added feature that's been thrown in.
But as far as I can tell, it is a one-time purchase and doesn't require annual updates, which is why I've decided to take this route, at least to begin with. Once I've grown my sites a fair bit I will likely try out Arelis but for now, it looks like SEO Elite better fits my needs.
(Here is a review of SEO Elite, from Andy Williams at EZ SEO. Sean Burns also recommends it, although I don't know if he has his review of it up yet.)
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:41 pm
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| Debs wrote: | | SEO Elite isn't for link exchanges, but Arelis from the same vendor is. |
SEO Elite is not created by Axandra... SEO Elite is owned by Bryxen Software...
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The problem with both of those pieces of software are the updates you need to pay for on a regular basis ...
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Again, not true. SEO Elite is a 1 time payment. I own it and receive 100% free upgrades almost every month. About 3 weeks ago, they sent me a very good SEO eBook that was much better than any of the other SEO eBooks that I've actually purchased indivudally.
| Debs wrote: | I've never used SEO Elite, but I know WPG queries the SE's automatically, so you have to be careful ... auto queries at Google will get you in trouble otherwise.
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You're right... That's why SEO Elite allows you to use the Google API key, and allows for a 'courtesy pause' between each query... AND even allows you to use a proxy server to connect, making your home IP address completely invisible to the search engines. So, I know I feel more than safe using it.
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Hey, Jack,
I just deleted a couple of your one-liners. This one should have been, too. How about some elaboration on your statements - or, as someone has said: "If you've got nothing to say, say nothing!"
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| netadventures wrote: | | I know that I'd be interested in the sort of program you're talking about. It would be handy to have the keywords and associated URLs all saved in one spot and be able to generate a ranking report with one click of a button. As for it being an online tool, I do normally prefer to buy software that sits on my computer, though. |
Want to help me design this?
Here's some starting thoughts of what I'd like in such a program.
1) Be able to create and save multiple projects, such as one project for each site. Create a new project, name it, enter domain.
2) Enter multiple keywords in to this project by copy/pasting them in to a form field. As example, copy/paste a Wordtracker report in to the form, hit submit, and the software grabs all the keywords from the WT report and stores them in the database for this project. I don't want to be entering hundreds of keywords one by one.
3) Set a schedule. Say, once a week the software finds where you are ranked for each keyword and emails you a report. Send a separate emailed report for each one of your sites.
4) When you want to see history, login to software, select a project, and hit history button. See a table that shows this weeks rankings compared to last weeks rankings etc.
That's about it. Something very simple. You create a project, input your keywords, and then it's totally automated after that, emailing you a report each week.
Is there any reason to search past the first 100 positions? What's the difference between being ranked 117 and 367, none really, right? Limiting the search would speed things up, be more respectful of resources etc.
I can't code desktop software, so it would have to be an online service, or CGI software you or I install on your own server. CGI software that you buy one time seems like a practical solution.
We could add a zillion features to this. But personally I like simple stuff that does one job well, without me having to think or work. When a program has a lot of features, then it's get out the manual time. 
Really all I want to know is, am I on the first page of results for this term, or not?
Am I on the right track? If yes, what would you be willing to do/pay to have access to something along these lines?
Thanks for any thoughts!
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:34 pm
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My apologies, I was thinking IB4 by Axandra, and for some reason thought it was called SEO Elite ... 
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pagerank.net have a few useful tools. such as page rank checker, search engine position tool, search engine saturation, keyword desnity analyzer
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