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Phil Tanny
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 1:02 pm
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Gary, nice to see ya on the board.
Hype, and "just do it", are directly related to each other.
Hype undermines the reader's confidence in the information being presented, and thus weakens the reader's ability to act on that information.
If you are standing at a cross roads with a map you don't have full confidence in, it will take you longer to determine what road to take.
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Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:01 pm
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Phil,
I actually check in a couple of times a day... I just haven't thought I could add anything to the discussions lately.
| Quote: | | Hype undermines the reader's confidence in the information being presented, and thus weakens the reader's ability to act on that information. |
Don't know if I agree completely with undermine -- It can also push you to get going. The hype can be read by you and I differently. I'm a big believer in reading between the lines.
Example... Someone could hype it up that they've run 65,000 test and discovered XYZ. You may look at it a say - well did he really run that many tests - I think he's talking out the top of his hat.
I read it and say - How is he testing? Should I test? Where should I test? How will I measure? I better start testing.
| Quote: | | If you are standing at a cross roads with a map you don't have full confidence in, it will take you longer to determine what road to take. |
I know what you're saying... but that's the problem with many on the net and a foundation of John's success. Testing. If you're standing you're not moving. To many people stand still trying to figure out what to do instead of testing to find out the next step. If people will set a few goals they have a road map right in front of them. Now... what do they need to do to get there. It's not always a straight line.
My 2 cents,
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Phil CA
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Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:59 pm
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| Phil in NYC wrote: | In response to the person who questioned whether John Reese actually did business before the first www browser was invented, JR states on his website that his first online ventures were through bulletin board systems and then services like Compuserve. I remember fiddling around with those at that time as well... Actually, wasn't Mindspring one of the first companies to do this as well (now they are Earthlink)? All this before the first browser was even evented! Guest, I think you are betraying your youth...  |
The quote from John's website is, verbatim:
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Since 1990, I've conceived, developed, and made money from hundreds of different websites on the Internet.
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Clearly, John needs to clarify his message. If he was working on BBSes, so be it. No reason to say he was working on websites since 1990 and come across as a bald faced liar. Really, who wants to be percieved as a crooked liar? In a way, this is all academic. John's making a fortune. In a way, this is a teachable moment for all of us. In the end, it doesn't matter if a person is a liar - because the money made is just as green as anyone elses. If his info helps people get tons of traffic, who cares if John claims he was making money with websites since 1990? Anyway, just something to ponder. |
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Phil CA
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 7:40 am
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Wow! In case you haven't been following for awhile...
This thread has become extremely heated in Markus land. 
You may recognize a few people including John Reese as the Long... thread/battle continues.
I only started this thread to get a little Friendly AP debate/exchange going.
But I guess with 2,000 reads or so later, in a couple forums, we now know what Traffic Secrets is all about.
Someone should/could write an E-Book about this one. 
http://www.marketing-ideas.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=301
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raveon
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:14 am
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Thanks for the update Phil, it's been awhile since I'd read the thread. VERY interesting to see John Reese there, never expected that.
As much as I admire anybody who speaks out against the "guru establishment" (they are usually pounded pretty hard, pretty fast by the disciples) I think John Reese served himself quite well.
It?s unfortunate it?s become personal, all most of us really want are more un-biased reviews of the course by other pros.
Sean Burns, how is your review coming? 
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:33 pm
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I noticed someone is selling a copy of "Traffic Secrets" on Ebay:
It will be interesting to see how many more show up in the future and how much they sell for.
Is the reason this course can be resold is that it is in DVD format? I never see, for example, James Martells' ebook being sold on Ebay ... is it a question of legal rights that ebooks can't be resold?
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Phil CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 2:55 am
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I think Wally explains it best in the following thread...
http://associateprograms.com/discus/ftopic5993.html
There are a few who have tried re-selling SiteSell products etc. and they were shut down very quickly. As Wally said, not a subject to discuss here.
But put a business in a box and Recycling you will see.
Check around for assorted business opportunities/courses/scams in a box that were bought through TV infomercials after midnight and you'll get some Free lessons of what not to buy.
And now we have internet land for new and better things.
Just my thoughts.
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hutz13
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Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:42 am
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That's an interesting discussion ... seems to me then an ebook would have more inherent value than, say a dvd or cd rom course since it can't be resold.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:06 am
Post subject: Re: John needs to clarify the wording on his site.
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| Anonymous wrote: | --
Since 1990, I've conceived, developed, and made money from hundreds of different websites on the Internet.
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Clearly, John needs to clarify his message. If he was working on BBSes, so be it. No reason to say he was working on websites since 1990 and come across as a bald faced liar. Really, who wants to be percieved as a crooked liar? In a way, this is all academic. John's making a fortune. In a way, this is a teachable moment for all of us. In the end, it doesn't matter if a person is a liar - because the money made is just as green as anyone elses. If his info helps people get tons of traffic, who cares if John claims he was making money with websites since 1990? Anyway, just something to ponder. |
Hi All!
This person is exactly right. I should CLARIFY that statement. In fact, I clarified the same statement back in March when that wording was used for my workshop sales letter:
http://www.howtocorp.com/cgi-bin/webbbs_config.pl/read/14759
I did NOT have Web sites in 1990 and was not claiming to. The intention of that paragraph was merely to state that since I started marketing online back in 1990, I have been able to develop hundreds of sites. It was not meant to imply that in 1990 I had hundreds of Web sites. I did not have my first Web page online until late 1993. (And didn't do much with it.) 1994 and 1995 is when I really started to build many sites. In 1995, I started one of the first Internet Marketing ezines titled "E-Business" (Yes, long before IBM started using that phrase.) You can see the proof here:
http://gort.ucsd.edu/newjour/e/msg00881.html
* I no longer own that successpub.com domain that I had back then, so I don't know anything about the current owners if anyone is curious -- I let the domain expire.
Anyway, this "Since 1990" phrase has been modified on the Traffic Secrets site to clarify what was meant by it. Thank you for the person that pointed it out. Michel Fortin wrote the sales letter for Traffic Secrets, and he copied most of those "My Track Record" bullets from my original workshop letter (which I got into the discussion at the above link about.) It was my fault for not making a note of thing and changing it for the new sales letter. It has now been changed.
If anyone has any other questions, feel free to ask. Unlike some other marketers, I have nothing to hide and I do business in an honest and ethical way. I've been at this online marketing "game" for almost HALF of my entire life. I've worked very hard for myself, and now I am working very hard to help others.
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:44 pm
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Hi John, Welcome!
Thanks for taking the time to clarify that.
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John_Reese
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:52 am
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | Hi John, Welcome!
Thanks for taking the time to clarify that. |
Thanks, Allan! |
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rondo
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:44 am
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Good to hear John is coming down to speak in Australia!
Hoping to attend.
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