search engine tool like Web Position gold2 ?100 or so
Now that's only $135 as a one-off payment.
I don't need to tell you where to get good priced domain and hosting. As for the other stuff like auto responder, mailing list etc, hey I'm a newbie so haven't looked at it all yet
I've used the Web Position trial version and am very impressed, even if the learning curve is a little steep, it does what it says on the packet.
All the best
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I came to SBI after going the Dreamweaver-Webpositiongold route with several sites. Those sites have natural limits to their audiences, as only so many people are interested in llamas or my father's science fiction!
So when I decided to do a dog training website, I signed up with SBI. I've been adding pages for 6 or 8 weeks now, and I like some things and dislike some things.
For people who are already accomplished webmasters, there *are* some drawbacks to SBI. If I notice something on a page that I want to correct, say a slight change of wording, I have to go through a tedious process to re-upload the page in SBI compared to just pushing a button in Dreamweaver and uploading to my other webhost. (At least, I can use Dreamweaver for creating the pages -- SBI got that right!)
Also, the search engine data just isn't there yet in the SBI "Site Central." So I used my old Webpositiongold and sure enough the pages are ranked in a number of the engines. I have had ongoing email with SBI tech support about this, and they assure me that the data should kick in pretty soon. I don't understand why it isn't there right away, except that SBI is still a new program. A year or five years from now, I imagine it will operate more smoothly.
Okay, then, for people who are NOT accomplished webmasters, I think SBI is a good way to go for all that you can learn about search engine optimization and to get you going on the content of your site. I don't want to remember how much time I have spent in the last 2 or 3 years learning lots of things that I wouldn't need to know if I were just doing SBI sites. _________________ Rosana
www.training-dogs.com,www.hartworks.com,www.cordwainer-smith.com,www.llamas-information.com,www.yes-great.com
Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 1114 Location: London, England
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 7:46 pm Post subject:
hartworks wrote:
Also, the search engine data just isn't there yet in the SBI "Site Central." So I used my old Webpositiongold and sure enough the pages are ranked in a number of the engines. I have had ongoing email with SBI tech support about this, and they assure me that the data should kick in pretty soon. I don't understand why it isn't there right away, except that SBI is still a new program. A year or five years from now, I imagine it will operate more smoothly.
Hi Rosana,
Not quite sure whether I'm absolutly correct on this but I think there are two reasons why Site Central doesn't show ranked pages as soon as they rank.
One is that they only query the engines every so often, so as not to upset them. And secondly they wait for the results to settle, and I believe this particularly applies to Google where for at least some days the results are shown from different servers until they settle on your absolute rank.
search engine tool like Web Position gold2 ?100 or so
Now that's only $135 as a one-off payment.
I don't need to tell you where to get good priced domain and hosting. As for the other stuff like auto responder, mailing list etc, hey I'm a newbie so haven't looked at it all yet
I've used the Web Position trial version and am very impressed, even if the learning curve is a little steep, it does what it says on the packet.
Hi Everyone,
Just a thought about what Darren wrote about SBI!s cost...$300 may seem steep, but when you consider what you?re getting, it?s truly a bargain.
First of all, if you break down the $300 US price tag, it amounts to only $25 per month. That includes all of SBI!s exceptional tools...PLUS monthly web hosting...PLUS domain registration and renewal...PLUS a whole lot more.
For those of you who are already accomplished webmasters, you can now build your pages in Dreamweaver, FrontPage or whatever HTML editor you like, and upload them directly to SBI!
WebPosition Gold is an excellent tool, but like most software, the cost doesn?t end with the initial purchase. Upgrades to the program and Knowledge Base must be purchased in order to keep up with industry changes. The cost runs somewhere around $100 to do that.
With regard to domain registration, the cost is nominal, but you still must keep track of the expiry date and make sure it gets renewed on time or you run the risk of losing the name. SBI!ers don?t need to even think about domain renewal...it?s taken care of automatically.
The lowest priced quality autoresponder I?m aware of runs about $18 per month. Annualized, that?s $216. SBI! will release the autoresponder module any day now...and it?s included in the $300 price.
Web hosting runs the gamut, but for a reliable host, you will pay approximately $10 per month...$120 per year.
Let?s recap...
Domain registration/renewal............$ 7
Web hosting..................................$120
Autoresponder...............................$216
Total cost --> $343
So considering only these few costs, you?ve already EXCEEDED the cost of SBI!
Moreover, SBI! offers much, much more. But don?t take my word for it...see for yourself.
Probably the most important factor to consider when you?re trying to decide how to get the most bang for your buck is this --
? 51% of SBI! sites fall within the top 6% most popular sites on the Internet
? 30% fall within the 3% most popular
? 17% fall within the 2% most popular
Bottom line...in my opinion, SBI! is the best value on the Net.
BTW...if you signup as a SiteSell 5 Pillar Affiliate, you stand an excellent chance of recovering your investment if you follow the steps outined in the Action Guide... _________________ Kerri Mackenzie http://www.Small-Biz-Ideas.com
Small business ideas to help you succeed
beyond your wildest dreams?a realistic
guide that actually works!
Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:11 pm Post subject: SBI! focuses on results, not frantic worry...
Hello all,
Larry Chamberlain wrote...
"... they only query the engines every so often, so as not
to upset them. And secondly they wait for the results to
settle, and I believe this particularly applies to Google
where for at least some days the results are shown from
different servers until they settle on your absolute rank."
Yes, Larry, absolutely correct. We take a responsible
action towards the SEs and we only query them as often as
necessary. Same goes with submitting -- some of the
underlying algorithms behind all this are pretty
sophisticated. And, from the user's point of view, the
frequency amounts to as often as a reasonable small business
person should sweat over all this. After 2-4 months, when
the traffic starts really building, people learn to relax
and let SBI! handle the traffic-building while they build
content.
Remember...
A good SEO program is a steady build, not a sprint. Focus on
creating good content, not constantly tweaking your pages.
The entire SBI! program is built that way... it's all about
building business. And the results speak for themselves...
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 1:52 pm Post subject: Is SBI worth it ? How long is a piece of string?
Darren,
In many IT areas there is a direct trade off - money or time. Money or performance, performance or space and I am sure that everyone here can recite lots more conflicts.
I'm a tai chi enthusiast - it saved my sanity when I was going through a very difficult time. As a form of payback for all the people that helped me and in tribute to the people in my class (many of whom attributed their recovery from cancer to Tai Chi ) I decided to use some of my new leisure time to create a tai chi site to help people experience the benefits I had found.
I looked around - there are well over half a million 500K sites devoted to tai ch - many are poor and some are worse. I knew that I could do better.
I bought SBI following a recommendation from Allan (good luck to you).
If you use google my site is in the first 5 for these searches
tai chi exercises, tai chi exercise, tai chi pictures, shibashi, tai chi clips
and several other pages are within the top 10. This is important to me because you can only spread the word if people can find you.
And I wouldn't recognise a search engine if it bit me!!
But I can follow instructions - the action guide - and I have to say now that the site name www.everyday-taichi.com is not the one I was thinking of originally.
SBI is not perfect - I originally found it very cumbersome building it block by block till I worked out how to avoid that pain..... I can do it all with a header and a single text block which makes life a lot easier!
At 50+ I don't want to spend my precious time playing with search engine rankings I just want to get on with telling people how wonderful tai chi is and how good it is for health and sanity of everyone.
What would you rather spend your time doing - learning to be a super webmaster and IT technician, creating a business that you enjoy while doing the least amount possible?
It really is that simple you can save money and do it all yourself - spend time and the research will take hours, days and maybe even weeks. Or you can spend money and save time.
Money is a renewable resource and is unlimited - time is not. Each day has a fixed portion of minutes - when they are gone they are gone.
Stay well everyone - take some breaks from your keyboards and take some exercise. In fact, take up Tai Chi - exercise your mind and body!
Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 9 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:04 pm Post subject: Has anyone assessed Website Wizard as an SBI alternative?
I've done some cursory checking of Website Wizard, and it looks like a real alternative to SBI. It uses a WYSIWYG editor instead of "building blocks" and it seems to have many of the bells and whistles.
Its one big defect is that it's not Mac friendly, which is why I haven't thoroughly evaluated it. I hate going into my son's room to use his computer!
Doesn't look like they're competing on price, but Website Wizard's editor might be more convenient, and there's more variety in template choices.
3. The autoresponder is free only for 30 days, then its almost $18US a month.
4. At $29.95 month for standard (without ecommerce) that's almost $360 a year ... more than SBI;
5. You have to get the Deluxe version with ecommerce to get adtracker capabilities which come in the standard edition of SBI ... the WW deluxe is another $17 a month on top of the $29.95 ...
IMHO it looks like WW is a good solid program, but the risk you run of wanting or needing to add on extras over time could be a killer.
Debs _________________ Learn how to turn keyphrases into quality, well-targeted articles your visitors and SE's will love with Gary Antosh's new ebook "Web Content Made Easy!"
Firstly, it's only fair to say, I haven't used Website Wizard, but I have bought SBI!
With the exception of the credit card processing option, Website Wizard looks to be mainly a publishing tool. It is not really fair to compare these two products head to head, if you ask me.
SBI! has it's faults - it's a bit restrictive if you have specific server side intentions, for example - but it's strength seems to be in helping you build search-engine-friendly sites. That is, sites that get found by surfers, rather than just look pretty.
Website Wizard doesn't seem to cover this vital aspect at all.
Everything considered, although no great fan of tools of this kind in general, my vote would have to go with SBI!
Cheers,
Charlie.
P.S. One thing against SBI! is the absense of a monthly payment option. I'm very surprised Ken hasn't given us this option. Time and again, people seem to balk at the upfront cost, looking at the posts in this (and other forums). I can't help but suspect he'd sell even more if he introduced a monthly option, but maybe I'm missing something. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 9 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:36 pm Post subject:
Thanks Debs and Charlie,
You've saved me hours of time figuring this all out for myself.
I've been using SBI, and my only real problem with it is the tediousness of building web pages with the building block system. I don't (yet) have a WYSIWYG editor, but I've started doing my blog pages in simple HTML. I made a template using Appleworks, and that works well.
But the idea of having a built in WYSIWYG editor is what appealed to me about Website Wizard. Sounds like I'd be better off getting my own editor and sticking with SBI.
I've been using SBI, and my only real problem with it is the tediousness of building web pages with the building block system
I found that a problem too, and love the ability to do my own html and upload ... I was very surprised at the speed of uploading but would love to see the ability to mass-upload (with delay for processing behind the scenes) ... poor Ken, no matter how much SBI provides, we always seem to want more LOL
While I waited for the HTML capabilities, I devised my own block system in SBI ... I used what was there already (the h1) and one block for all the rest of it ... but I've been doing html for years so it was easy for me.
I would love the ability to pay monthly as well, and this particular feature I think would bring a ton of people on board ... but a big influx could create serious growth problems for SBI. The other problem I see with a monthly fee, is the potential site turnover creating it's own set of problems if people aren't as patient as they need to be. (And seriously, when are we ever patient??)
To be honest, our family asked for a refund on our SBI site a month or so after we got it ... no problems, no questions asked, but then we changed our mind ... we wanted to really give it the chance to go ... and the second time ... we followed the action guide! LOL We are still with SBI, and plan on more SBI sites in the near future. _________________ Learn how to turn keyphrases into quality, well-targeted articles your visitors and SE's will love with Gary Antosh's new ebook "Web Content Made Easy!"
Joined: 03 Aug 2003 Posts: 27 Location: Southern Arizona
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:14 pm Post subject: SBI!
Happy Labor Day to One and All
Charlie?s suggestion that SBI might be offered under some sort of payment plan seems worth considering. So many visitors tell me that they would LOVE to buy SBI, but just don?t have $300 all at once. I?ve noticed several other netrepreneurs offering payment plans for their higher value products...would this create too much of a burden for Ken?s company?
_________________ Kerri Mackenzie http://www.Small-Biz-Ideas.com
Small business ideas to help you succeed
beyond your wildest dreams?a realistic
guide that actually works!
Why not make SBI a monthly charge after the first year?
You couldn't have a monthly charge from day 1 because of all the valuable information and tools that are available from the start. But I could see established SBI users parting with $25 a week.
Of all the Internet marketing products I've seen I think SBI is by far the best one for new people. There is no better way to learn than by getting off your butt and building your first site.
Advanced affiliates may still appreciate the value for money with autoresponders and such but no product can cater for everyone. Different affiliates have different needs.
One thing I'd like to say is that an affiliate will never grow out of SBI. Even after a couple of years I still appreciate the way SBI saves my time. _________________ Rupert - AssociatePrograms.com
Why not make SBI a monthly charge after the first year?
Surely the problem lies in trying to get a new customer to part with the three figure sum? It's the combination of unproven product (in the new customers' eyes) and the high price tag that causes the problem. Anyone who is renewing will have had a full year of SBI! proving it's worth to convince them.
Rupert wrote:
You couldn't have a monthly charge from day 1 because of all the valuable information and tools that are available from the start.
How about a non refundable "admin charge" combined with a monthly fee?
Or would it even be pratical to move the Manager to a web-based model?
Rupert wrote:
One thing I'd like to say is that an affiliate will never grow out of SBI even after a couple of years I still appreciate the way SBI saves my time.
It saves you time, but you lose some control/flexibility. Some people might say, once you've begun with it, there's a lot more of an element of lock in.
Having said that, for most people, maybe it's a case of what you haven't had, you won't miss.
Cheers,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
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