Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 5:13 am Post subject: getting left in the dust...
I've been reading up on affiliate programs and was planning to build a couple of websites, but then I seen something that had totally discouraged me and its this new program that came out, I aint going to mention the name of it because its a program that hasn't been out for long and already being GREATLY abused and I don't want to add to the havoc, pretty much its a program that you feed dozens of your keywords to and it creates a site that pretty much ranks high in search engines and I have already seen hundreds of sites using this program, the problem with it is that pretty much it uses the same articles except it has your keyword in it. And the thing is most of the affilaites I was planning on promoting are pretty much gonna be impossible to promote now because this STUPID new program people are using are already promoting the affiliates I wanted to promote, so now its just gonna be harder to rank , the legit way, above these other websites that are using this program. I don't know what in the world was the creater of this program thinking when he put it up for sell, to me it feels like this program is destroying the way internet marketers market their business online.
This program has totally changed my mind on internet marketing and it makes it seem impossible for a newbies to enter the game now becuase it feels like the program is just gonna leave newbies left in the dust...
The program has only been out for a couple of months and hundreds of websites are already being built with it, in around a year or two(or even less!) theres gonna be thousands upon thousand of websites built using this program making it virtually impossible for newbies to optimize a page for ANY keyword to rank high in SE's even the ones that only get 100 searches a month
Allen, I know you've probably heard of the program I'm talking about, whats your thoughts on it? Is there a way to put and end to this program? a way to convince the creater to stop selling it?
Is there anything internet marketers can do to get this product of the shelf before it gets any worse?
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:17 am Post subject:
Hi Kyle,
I know the program you are talking about, and my thoughts on it are pretty much the same as yours.
I'm quite sure that Allan has mentioned it in one of his newsletters and given it a thumbs down. I have noticed a few pages that were obviously built using it (but not that many) but I think the key word here is " obviously". What I mean is that unless the person that is using it spends a lot of time and trouble altering the template, then the resulting page 'don't read right'. And that, in IMHO sort of defeats the object.
Personally, I think this thing will die a death, I really don't see it as much of a threat. How many pages can there be that read something like " We have found the best place online to buy "blah blah", so there is no need for you to search for "blah blah", suppliers we have done it for you", and on, and on.
Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:18 am Post subject: Re: getting left in the dust...
Kyle wrote:
Allen, I know you've probably heard of the program I'm talking about, whats your thoughts on it? Is there a way to put and end to this program? a way to convince the creater to stop selling it?
Is there anything internet marketers can do to get this product of the shelf before it gets any worse?
Thanks
Kyle
Kyle, I am not Allen but I know about the program site creator you are talking about and you are right, it's awful. The program could be a true gem if only people would work for what they want and not expect a magical cure.
When I run across sites that do no more than input keywords in junk text, as this one allows users to do ... I report the site to Google as a spam site. If the owners can't be bothered to do a site properly, they don't deserve any rankings they may get, IMHO.
Maybe I am hardnosed ... but I worked hard for what I am doing online and I can't justify letting them sit there.
Google can take months and months to get a site offline .. it can be very discouraging but just keep on trucking ...
As far as building your own affiliate site ... go for it ... find your niche ... your passion ... add a new perspective ... maybe a little twist to be unique ... and write great content ... believe me ... it works!
I have a SiteBuildIt site that is outperforming 3 others sites I have had for far longer ... all based on content, niche and passion.
One suggestion I would make in picking your passion niche, besides following the suggestions made on this board ... and in particular in the Affiliate Masters course from Sitesell.com ... is this:
After you do the research on your niche passion to be sure you have decent profitability ... but before you register a domain, or design your site ... write about 10 content articles about your subject
If you can do this, you will start to see the unique perspective you can bring to your niche, and you will know whether it is a subject you can carry into 50 pages or more. If you can't do it, or won't research to do it ... then you need to know your ability to be successful and profitable online will be severely reduced. That's my opinion for what it's worth.
Best of luck,
Debs _________________ Learn how to turn keyphrases into quality, well-targeted articles your visitors and SE's will love with Gary Antosh's new ebook "Web Content Made Easy!"
Personally, I think this thing will die a death, I really don't see it as much of a threat. How many pages can there be that read something like " We have found the best place online to buy "blah blah", so there is no need for you to search for "blah blah", suppliers we have done it for you", and on, and on.
I agree. The pages I have seen look like they were written by a computer twenty years ago. Hasn't AI moved on a bit since then?
If these pages get temporary high rankings, they won't last long. Debs and others will report them!
Secondly, who in their right mind would read more than a sentence of that "blah blah" sort of language (unless they're some sort of linguistic masaocist) let alone click any of the links.
At the end of the day, without visitors taking the desired action, maybe high SE rankings are more a matter of pride (vanity?) than anything else. (If "brand building" is your game, my apologies! )
Tools like this rely on people's laziness and greed to get bought in the first place, and are of more use as a marketing case study than a SEO or publishing solution, if you ask me. In theory, people could rewrite the pages, but in practice most, who are attracted (for the wrong reasons) in the first place, never will.
Fear not, Kyle, I don't the think the future will turn out anywhere near as badly as you suggest.
All the best,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
Hi kyle,
I have seen those pages too. Actually as someone pointed out in another forum(which you correctly observed), they are the same articles with your keywords. This is emerging as a pattern and so will soon be penalized by ses. In fact the more people that use this program to promote an affiliate product, the better your chances of succeeding with that product.
Write some useful content about the product you are considering and publish it on your website. This will differentiate you and when these pages are being penalized, you will fare even better.
So don't let these pages deter you.
Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 5815 Location: by the beach, Australia
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:20 am Post subject:
Hi Kyle
Like you, I was upset when I heard about this software. Here's what I said in my newsletter when I reviewed it:
"This will create thousands of similar pages that will clog up the
search engines, diminishing the reputation of affiliate programs
- and openly inviting the search engines to figure out how to
downgrade your pages."
If you create useful, interesting web sites, other sites will want to link to you. The only people wanting to link to computer-generated sites will be the creators of computer-generated sites.
Look at this from the point of view of a search engine.
This software is being openly promoted. Google will know what's going on, and it doesn't want garbage pages ranking high, so it will figure out a way to penalize most of these pages.
If you take a long-term view as I do, that it's a mistake to build dumb pages while search engines are getting smarter, you have nothing to fear from this software. _________________ Allan Gardyne
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Sounds like sour grapes to me. Maybe we should all complain to Google everytime we see a site we don't like. Furthermore, I don't really see how it is keyword spamming as it uses the same principles that everyone is taught to use in order to rank highly. Therefore, if they start penalizing these sites, look out because your's might be next.
The bottom line here is the market will take care of these sites, as I can't imagine anyone buying from one. So I wouldn't really worry about them if I were you guys.
P.S.
Google Facts & Fiction
Fiction: A competitor can ruin a site's ranking somehow or have another site removed from Google's index.
Fact: There is almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. Your rank and your inclusion are dependent on factors under your control as a webmaster, including content choices and site design.
Does this mean you can have a site removed because you don't like it? Who knows? I suppose if you were blatanty breaking the rules, then yes. I don't think KSB falls under that category. And no, I am not a user or seller of the product.
Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 5815 Location: by the beach, Australia
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:36 am Post subject:
Anonymous wrote:
Furthermore, I don't really see how it is keyword spamming as it uses the same principles that everyone is taught to use in order to rank highly.
Here's how I understand it.
You choose a bunch of keywords. The computer generates a bunch of pages for you. It's designed to appeal to lazy people who hope to make money without working for it.
Now picture thousands of affiliates choosing keywords and generating pages. Result: initially some success. Then, ultimately thousands of pages that are exactly the same except for the keywords.
"Keyword spamming" probably isn't the correct term for this, but whatever you choose to call it, it seems inevitable that Google won't like multiple pages that are duplicates except for the keywords. _________________ Allan Gardyne
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