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Sandro
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 6:37 pm
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Hi everybody,
I heard many times about including keywords in <h>Heading Tags</h> as a good practice for SEO, as I get the same graphic effects by making use of my external style sheet, could I replace the heading tags by setting appropriate graphics for such keywords in my style sheet file.css?
I mean, do SE take in account the graphic results or the sources that generate such effects?
Thanks
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Debs
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:55 pm
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Sandra, SE's don't "read" graphics, so that won't help you SEO wise, although they will read the alt text of a graphic.
You can style heading tags <h1> <h2> etc with css so they fit into your design better. Google can read css, but not sure if it "understands" css. There has been some conjecture that Google was reading for minimum font sizes and contrasting colors (background and text) but I am not sure how accurate that is (from WebmasterWorld forum).
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 10:02 am
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Hello Debs,
let me remember you my name is 'Sandro' -male name- , not Sandra  | Debs wrote: | | Sandra, SE's don't "read" graphics, so that won't help you SEO wise, although they will read the alt text of a graphic. |
Sorry for my language mistaken, I meant to say not graphics-image but simply setting the appropriate fonts in css rendering the same effect of heading tags. (My language mistaken is because in Italy with the 'graphics' word we mean to say all the work related to the look of the site, either about images or about fonts)
| Debs wrote: | | ...Google can read css, but not sure if it "understands" css. |
However I have to use css file, because that is the unique method I know to have the complete control of the look in large sized sites.
Do you know any free software or website that show me what a spider exactly can see when is crawling a site? You suggested searchengineworld.com/misc/tools.htm , that's ok for a lot of SE related tools, but can't show me how the spiders see the site in terms of fonts differences
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:40 am
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Hi Sandro,
I believe some search engines will give more precendence to keywords that are part of a header (<h1>, <h2>, etc.).
You should be able to put your heading text in the <h1> tags, and then overide the "look" of those headings using css so that they fit into the style of your site.
There shouldn't be any discernible difference to your visitors, other then possibly providing better usability for those who use screen readers or similar.
A spider will generally only look at the text that would be visible to the user (other than meta data) and wont be biased by anything you do to change the look of the text. However, HTML gives you the oppurtunity to create a structured document with headings, sub headings and so on - some search engines may look at these and give more weight to keywords in certain parts of your document.
An exception to the rule above is when you change the look of text so that users wouldn't be able to see the text properly such as when you set the text color to the same color as the background.
I hope that makes sense.
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Kevin Ansfield
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Debs
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:17 pm
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Sandro, my apologies on your name. It really is true when I say my eyesight isn't the best 
Kevin is right in his explanation of using css, and the reasons for using <h1><h2> etc., tags.
As far as a spider view try this:
http://www.seotoolkit.co.uk/spider_viewer.asp
Keep in mind whether a spider can view css, js, etc. isn't likely to show in the spider view, it's relatively new if they can, in fact, read css, js., etc. It is known, however, that spiders can determine font sizes when using standing font tags within your content.
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Sandro
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 6:41 pm
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No problems for my name
I tried the SEO tool seotoolkit.co.uk; it's ok, but as spider view it seem doesn' t show the image alt tag, searchengineworld.com does it.
| HHW_Kevin wrote: | You should be able to put your heading text in the
<h1> tags, and then overide the "look" of those headings
using css so that they fit into the style of your site |
Kevin, can you explain me how I can get it?
For example, to show on my page verdana 12 font, I place in my css the following
.v12 {
FONT-FAMILY: verdana; FONT-SIZE: 12px;
}
and in the page
<font class=v12>...etc...</font>
How should I change the code in css or in the page, to get the same effect and placing in the page code the heading tags?
Many thanks
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2004 7:04 pm
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<h1 class="v12">text here</h1> is how you do it.
You should set your headings differently than standard text however so the SE's don't penalize you if they are reading css.
For instance, an H1 should be the largest, boldest text on the page, <h2> should be next and so on.
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 10:54 am
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Hi Sandro,
It's also possible to redefine the look of certain tags throughout the whole page without specifying the class directly. The syntax is something like this:
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h1 {
FONT-FAMILY: verdana;
FONT-SIZE: 12px;
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This can be very useful, especially when you override the "body" tag as you can set pagewide text styles without the need to constantly use <font> tags or set the css class on all your paragraphs.
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2004 1:32 pm
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If you use an external stylesheet, you can redefine sitewide as well. Put your styling code into a textfile like Notepad and save type as "All Files" with the extension of .css, naming the file as you like, for the example here I named it style.css
Then set the link to your stylesheet into the head section of each page:
<link rel="stylesheet" href="http://www.domain.com/style.css" type="text/css">
The above assumes the stylesheet is in the root directory, if you place it in a subdirectory, be sure to make the path adjustment in the link.
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