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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:32 pm
Post subject: Duplicate pages and re-submission risk
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Hello, I would like submit the following topic to any Google SEO expert.
In order to have more targetting keywords in any page, I have taken the decision to replace 20 dynamic pages (generated from one single file.php including keywords just for 1 topic) with 20 static pages (any of 20 pages including keywords related its own sub-topic).
The question is: as the 20 dynamic pages have a high ranking, I am afraid if I cancel straight away their generator file.php I lost the rank (waiting the crawl indexes the new 20 static pages later) . In the other hand if I keep the dynamic pages together to the new static pages, I am afraid Google could consider that as spam -duplicate pages as the dynaimc pages have the same content of static pages- and cancel all as a result. What do you suggest me?
One question more: should I submit my new pages? And generally what is the frequency of submission of a site to Google - I know the Google directions recommend submit a site just the first time, just the Home URL and then the spider will do all the job- but in other forums I heard people suggesting to submit to Google any month, even any week if you have high ranking. What are your opinions? And for other major SE?
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 4:45 pm
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I'm no SE expert, Google or otherwise, but my opinion is ... if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
You have dynamic pages that Google apparently loves ... I don't understand why would you want to create static html pages to replace them?
The duplicate penalty isn't that severe, Google only shows the first indexed page of the duplicate set. They don't drop your site or anything like that. It could be difficult for you to get your static pages seen on Google but they could rank quite well on other SE's.
You mention targeting more keyphrases, which implies the pages may not be totally duplicate ... Google could still see them as duplicate if the majority of the page content is identical.
Google places no penalty if you submit multiple pages a day, so don't worry about that ... it has been said that Google, however, appears to like your page better if they find it by following a link to it, as opposed to straight submission. I don't know how true this is, but considering that Google gives incoming links a lot of weight in their algo, it could be true.
Hope this helps,
Debs
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 5:46 pm
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Put up the static pages, and use a 301 redirect to tell the SE's that you have moved them.
I think 301 is the permanent redirect. 302 is temporary.
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:45 pm
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First of all let me tell you special thanks you for your help, considering today is week-end time....
| Debs wrote: | | You have dynamic pages that Google apparently loves ... I don't understand why would you want to create static html pages to replace them? |
Because I'd like place specific keywords for any of the 20 pages covering 20 differents specific sub-topics - currently I can place just generic keywords for 1 generic topic that is common to 20 dynamic pages.
I think this move could improve the search results and the ground for 'Google AdSense'. Don't you think that?
| edburdo wrote: | | Put up the static pages, and use a 301 redirect to tell the SE's that you have moved them. |
Sorry, can you explain me it in details?Where I have to modify the files etc...
If that can help you, I am not going to replace dynamic pages with html static pages, but the new pages are php too- basically I do query a database not from one single file.php but from 20 different files.php
Thanks to everybody
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:51 am
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| Sandro wrote: | | edburdo wrote: | | Put up the static pages, and use a 301 redirect to tell the SE's that you have moved them. |
Sorry, can you explain me it in details?Where I have to modify the files etc... |
This is definitely the method I'd use. Here's a thread...
http://www.associateprograms.com/discus/viewtopic.php?t=429
It's worth doing a search of this forum, by the way. That's how I refreshed my memory.
| Quote: | | If that can help you, I am not going to replace dynamic pages with html static pages, but the new pages are php too- basically I do query a database not from one single file.php but from 20 different files.php |
These days, there shouldn't be a problem with dynamic pages. It's just a large number of appended variables or anything that looks like a seeion ID in the URL that will cause problems.
Otherwise, as long as you link to the dynamic pages, Google should cope fine.
Hope this helps,
Charlie.
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:27 pm
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| edburdo wrote: | | Put up the static pages, and use a 301 redirect to tell the SE's that you have moved them |
| Charlie wrote: | | ]This is definitely the method I'd use. Here's a thread........ |
But unfortunately, 301 redirect is not working for Url like this 'www.domain.com/page.php?section=etc' ,
and the pages I'd replace are something similar to Url above.
In my .htaccess file I have written the following:
redirect 301 /page.php?section=etc http://www.domain.com/newpage.php
Am I missing something?
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Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 8:38 pm
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I don't know the exact detail, since I had someone else do it for me, but....
Check into the Mod Rewrite stuff for the .htaccess file. You can create a rule for the redirects. That might do what you need.
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:32 pm
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I'd ask your web host about getting the 301 to work for this type of URL. I haven't used it for dynamic URLs, but I thought it should work as normal.
Failing that, I'd post on one of the specialist SEO forums. Remember it's the preservation of SE rankings, not the redirection that is the most important thing here.
Don't rush into something without getting the full facts.
Cheers,
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 1:45 pm
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Another thing. I ran into this once. When you are modifying your .htaccess file. Do you do that manually in Notepad or something, then upload it?
Or are you using a control panel program from your webhost?
I tried doing it once via a control panel, and it converts the dynamic characters (the ? and & ) into the htmlsafe equivalents, thus breaking the redirect feature. 
So FTP into your site
Download the .htaccess file
Open that file in Notepad
Make the changes
Save the changes
upload the file back to the same place you took it from.
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 2:02 pm
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| Eric wrote: | | When you are modifying your .htaccess file. Do you do that manually in Notepad or something, then upload it? |
Yes, I did manually in Notepad
| Charlie wrote: | | I'd ask your web host about getting the 301 to work for this type of URL |
You are right. I'll try to get any answer in my web host forum.
Thanks to everybody
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