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Post Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:06 am
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I was wondering if anyone has figured out if the click thru rate affects the Google adsense payout in any way? Google seems to feel that "page views" is important as they state if you have a very high number, they will customize the program for you. But you would think that the click thru rate would be of more importance.

So I am wondering if it is more important to have more page views or a higher percentage of click thru's? Without violating Googles tos I can say that I have what I feel is a high CTR right now, because my pages are highly targeted. However, I recently put Adsense on two sites that are not so highly targeted but have a very high page view count.

This has lowered my overall CTR although overall clicks seem to be holding steady or improving slightly.

I know that from the other side of the coin, ie Adwords, CTR is very important in the placement of an ad. If they feel that this is important on the Adwords side of things, could it affect the percentage of payout on the Adsense side?

I hope I have made my question clear, and if the admin feels that this general question violates Googles TOS, please delete this thread.

Thanks all for your input.
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Post Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:40 pm
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G_Man wrote:
So I am wondering if it is more important to have more page views or a higher percentage of click thru's?

Surely it's more important to have more $ per unit work (maybe factoring in fun, too).

Take the easy traffic sources, but concentrate on increasing clickthrough rates for them by testing. A tiny change in clickthrough rate, may make a huge difference to Adsense revenue for a high traffic site, so get your thinking cap on.

Look at the pages that have the higher clickthroughs. Targeting is one aspect, but on-page factors will be having an effect, too. See if you can adapt any of these for the other pages.

Just a thought,
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 12:35 pm
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Hi Charlie;

Thanks for the input. I fully understand that click thru's are what we get paid for, and was not asking which was most important to us. I was wondering about looking at it from Googles point of view and wondering if it affected the percentage of payout or the placement of higher paying ads on ones site.

For example, with Searchfeed, I believe their percentage of payout increases after 1000 click thru's. Does anyone know if anything similar happens with Google?

Also, as I mentioned, from Adwords side of things, the higher the click thru rate the higher the ad is placed on a page. So again, is something similar done with Adsense? That is, if you have a very high click thru rate, do you get the higher paying ads placed on your site? Obviously Google, like any other ppc will want to save the highest paying ads for themselves and serve you the lower paying ads. My question was, is there a way to "persuade" Google to place some of these higher paying ads on your site? Again, using Searchfeed as an example, they have a Premium Partner plan that serves the highest paying ads to their best partners and lower paying ads to everyone else.

Googles information page only talks about high page views as a reason for them to take a special look at your site and to customise a program for you. There is no mention of Click Thru rate being important. Therefore my question.

Charlie, I fully understand that click thrus should be of highest importance, but it is not mentioned anywhere in Googles information. Using the above as a reference one would not want a high page view count if it is going to lower the click thru rate significantly. As I mentioned the pages with low click thru rates are quite general in nature. I do not see them ever hitting a high click thru rate no matter how I alter the page.
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Post Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:13 pm
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G_Man wrote:

I was wondering about looking at it from Googles point of view and wondering if it affected the percentage of payout or the placement of higher paying ads on ones site.

For example, with Searchfeed, I believe their percentage of payout increases after 1000 click thru's. Does anyone know if anything similar happens with Google?


From what I have seen, the percentage of payout stays the same for standard publishers regardless of impressions, clickthrus, etc.

G_Man wrote:
Also, as I mentioned, from Adwords side of things, the higher the click thru rate the higher the ad is placed on a page. So again, is something similar done with Adsense? That is, if you have a very high click thru rate, do you get the higher paying ads placed on your site?


No, you get the highest paying ads available at that time for the keyphrase your page is known for by Adsense.

G_Man wrote:
Obviously Google, like any other ppc will want to save the highest paying ads for themselves and serve you the lower paying ads. My question was, is there a way to "persuade" Google to place some of these higher paying ads on your site?


There is no reason to assume Google keeps high-paying ads for themselves. The ads you receive are directly related to the keyphrase targeting on the page where you have the code, and the pool of ads available at the time of viewing. You get the highest paid ads available. I have noticed at times that ads will switch positions from one page to another, but don't know if this is just switching up by Adsense, or if it's because the keyphrase changed (though highly related to the prior page).

I've done extensive research using Adwords to find the keyphrase amounts for Adsense. What I get for rates in Adwords is extremely closely related to the amount I get paid per click (based upon the percentage I've deduced I am being paid per click). And, I am getting some of the highest paid ads for that subject as well.

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Again, using Searchfeed as an example, they have a Premium Partner plan that serves the highest paying ads to their best partners and lower paying ads to everyone else.


Google does have a premium partner service. I don't know what you get as a Premium Partner vs. a standard publisher, so I can't comment. It wouldn't surprise me if your percentages were better however.

G_Man wrote:
Googles information page only talks about high page views as a reason for them to take a special look at your site and to customise a program for you. There is no mention of Click Thru rate being important. Therefore my question.

Charlie, I fully understand that click thrus should be of highest importance, but it is not mentioned anywhere in Googles information. Using the above as a reference one would not want a high page view count if it is going to lower the click thru rate significantly.


The only thing I have seen on CTR and Adsense, is concern that if it gets too high Google may look adversely on your site, particularly if complaints from advertisers indicate untargeted (non-converting) click thrus. Again, this was supposition in forums I've visited, I've seen no hard facts on this.

G_Man wrote:
As I mentioned the pages with low click thru rates are quite general in nature. I do not see them ever hitting a high click thru rate no matter how I alter the page.


How do you know what CTR you are getting per page with Adsense? Adsense offers no reporting on this, as yet, so I wonder if you are assuming they are low CTR pages because the ads are more general in nature?

As a page gets more traffic (and consequently, impressions of the Adsense ads), it becomes more targeted for Adsense, and you will see more relevant ads appearing. Also, if the page content is more general in nature, then the ads will also reflect this.

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Post Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:09 pm
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G_Man wrote:
I fully understand that click thru's are what we get paid for, and was not asking which was most important to us. I was wondering about looking at it from Googles point of view and wondering if it affected the percentage of payout or the placement of higher paying ads on ones site.

Sorry about that - I misread your post. Embarassed

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Post Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:03 am
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Thanks to both Charlie and Debs. I think I have cleared my mind on a few issues with your help.
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