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www.freeadverts.co.nz
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:37 am
Post subject: Ken Evoy - SBI Illusion
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| Quote: | | Sent to K.. & Ken! |
| Quote: | | Plz see 1 - 10 below & advise your response asap. K.. says she can't read it. |
----- Original Message -----
From: Sitesell Support
To: TK
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: Support Question,
Hi, TK.
K ... here.
I'm sorry to hear that SBI! is not meeting your
expectations. Is there something that I can help you with or clarify before I set into motion the refund process?
| Quote: | | 2. Can you plz advise how much the refund will be? |
Unless it is something that is beyond my assistance, I promise that in a year, after trying anything else on the Net, you'll be frustrated and convinced that "the Net does not work." Of course, we'd love to have you return and use SBI! to succeed at that time, but please...
If there is a specific part of the CTPM process
(Content-Traffic-PREsell-Monetize) that you are grappling with, please tell me about it.
| Quote: | | 3. Well I'm disappointed that yous don't disclose up front in all your sales emails/website that Brainstorm it requires additional purchases! |
| Quote: | 4. & that's one thing I hate about certain online businesses, they only tell you so much upfront, then after you buy their system, one finds that he needs to buy more tools or spend more money to really make the system work!
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| Quote: | 5. I was of the view which now appears to be an illusion that SBI was an all in one package! & the purchase price included full use of Brainstorm it without any further cost!
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| Quote: | 6. Furthermore as they're not a simple step by step process, the 10 day SBI videos suck! & are in my view another complicated illusion!
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Perhaps, I can help. Or if it is a technical issue, I am sure we can work together to
sort it out and get you up and running.
I would like you to achieve the same kind of success that so many people are having with SBI!. It's always a surprise to me when someone asks for a refund. This is not about the money, it's about Ken hating to see you make a mistake.
| Quote: | 7. I think if Ken & his team really take note of what has been said (1-6 above) then I would agree, I'd be making a mistake, but SBI in it's present form is very unappealing! Especially the useless videos & the required to spend more money to use Brain Storm it!
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| Quote: | 8. I'd be very surprised if Ken does take on board my concerns? But more than likely I'll be ignored.
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I see from your order that you purchased at the time of a $100 Special Promotion, where you receive two SBI! subscriptions for $399. It's an extra-big shame to give up such a great deal. When we process your refund, both subscriptions are cancelled and deactivated at that time.
| Quote: | | 9. Yep I I gave the other to a friend. She'd still like to keep her SBI. |
If you are certain that SBI! is not for you, please reply to this e-mail. I will then forward your refund request for
processing.
| Quote: | 10. Please advise your response by inserting your reply below questions 2 & 9 & any of the other matters mentioned asap. Thankyou.
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Kind regards,
TK Lewis
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:41 am
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Oh neither K .. or Ken have bothered to reply that's one reason why I've done this post!
The other is so others are aware of what they're in for, before they consider purchasing SBI (short for Site Build Illusion).
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InternetMarketingIQ
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Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:20 pm
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Like most businesses once they have your money they want to keep it.
I have no problem with them defending and trying to find out "why" a person might want a refund.
But at some point this might not be the right product for everyone.
So my question after reading all of the above is did you in fact get your refund?
I have a fairly long fuse... but once I'm ready to move on... I consider continued attempts to salvage my business a mistake on the sellers part. It makes me more angry and less inclined to play nice.
Let us know the result. I think that SBI is a pretty good product for some people. I don't use it, nor do I promote it. But I can definitely see your point.
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BrendaLR
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:33 pm
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Hi
I'm an SBIer and maybe I can help.
| Quote: | 3. Well I'm disappointed that yous don't disclose up front in all your sales emails/website that Brainstorm it requires additional purchases!
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I'm very sorry you are unhappy, but nothing is being hidden from you. Brainstorm It is free to use. But one source of the data is owned by a 3rd party and SBI has to pay for certain keyword searches (not all).
That is why they supply you (free of charge) with the amount that works for most people. If you go over that amount, you have to pay. That's only fair, because it keeps costs predictable and prevents abuse.
I've used Brainstorm It extensively and I found it more than adequate for my business. In fact I always have a ton of credits in my account because I get more than enough. If you are a Brainstorm It power-user, it's only fair for everyone to have you pay extra. But it's not much - $20 for 100 searches. That is dirt cheap! Unless you're using this for a purpose for which it is not intended, it would be quite difficult to burn up 100 BI searches.
Here's the official SBI documentation:
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Wordtracker is a third party service that has long been recommended in the SBI! Resources HQ. They maintain a database of 300+ million searches from major Meta Search Engines such as DogPile. BI! integrates the Wordtracker Data into Brainstorm It! and allows accessing it on a per- query basis.
Each SBI! order includes 25 free Wordtracker queries per year.
Don't hesitate to go beyond that. Since we pay Wordtracker to provide this service, it can't be free. But it is cheap...
o $20 for a Wordtracker Package of 100 queries . . . |
I know it's easy to get upset on the Internet because you don't see people face to face. Using email, you don't always get an immediate response. It's easy to fill in the blanks with bad or alarming information.
But I can tell you that as an SBI user, this is one of the most decent and ethical companies I've every dealt with. There are always two sides to every story and with SBI I have there is always a reasonable explanation for things.
I sure hope this helps! |
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Larry Chamberlain
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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:21 pm
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Hi TK,
I'm sorry to read that you are somewhat disappointed.
I think Brenda's reply is excellent and don't think I can add much to it.
I'm an SBI'er and an affiliate, I love the program so I admit to a certain amount of bias.
But I can assure you SBI ain't no illusion and neither is Ken.
What I would say are illusions, are all the Get Rich Quick deals.
SBI does not promise that, and indeed, does not work like that.
To succeed takes study and plenty of work. Also you have to stick fairly rigidly to the Action Guide. That does not suit everyone.
Those that are able to put in the work, follow the Action Guide and be patient will find their efforts pay off.
But if SBI is not for you, then it's not for you. hope you find something that suits.
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www.freeadverts.co.nz
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:28 am
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First off as I never received notification of the last 2 posts sorry for the late reply.
| InternetMarketingIQ wrote: | | So my question after reading all of the above is did you in fact get your refund? |
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x0. Yes, but would've preferred they answered my questions in advance of the refund, as opposed to the lying excuse K.. gave, (i.e) she says she couldn't see my reply, plzzz!
| BrendaLR wrote: | | but nothing is being hidden from you. |
x1. Then please tell me where in the sitesell presale emails or website does it indicate you have to spend more money to utilise Brainstorm it?
| BrendaLR wrote: | | Brainstorm It is free to use. |
x2. Yes after one has purchased SBI & used what little credit there is!
| BrendaLR wrote: | | But one source of the data is owned by a 3rd party and SBI has to pay for certain keyword searches (not all). |
x3. Point in question is why doesn't Ken Evoy aka sitesell.com tell people up front:
a. how much Brainstormit credit they get? &;
b. that if you want to continue using it, you have to spend more?
x4. In my view that's sleezy marketing.
x5. & as most seasoned internet marketers know, is prevalent across the internet, I thought sitesell was a little different? But not so!
x6. & had I known that in advance of purchase I probably would've never brought it, period!
x7. Also my time is precious, having used much of it studying SBI & watching them useless videos, has been utterly wasted!
x8. I am in no doubt that sitesell is making mega $$$ from the sale of their products, in saying that:
x9. "One would think they would've utilised those earnings to have updated their useless vids & simplified the whole process!" (As opposed to information overkill!).
x10. Which means they're either to thick & or to complacent?
| BrendaLR wrote: | | Each SBI! order includes 25 free Wordtracker queries per year. |
x11. It's paid for out of the purchase price, so it's not free!
| BrendaLR wrote: | | I know it's easy to get upset on the Internet because you don't see people face to face. Using email, you don't always get an immediate response. It's easy to fill in the blanks with bad or alarming information. |
x12. Or be told a lie by someone that they can't read your email. Which in my view is a lame excuse that indicates, that:
a. the person concerned can't be bothered taking the time to respond at all to queries posed or;
b. she has a problem dealing with honest criticism? Hence x12. a.
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | But I can assure you SBI ain't no illusion and neither is Ken. |
x13. Ditto in this order: x3, x7 & x1 above.
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | What I would say are illusions, are all the Get Rich Quick deals. |
x14. Oh I agree.
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | SBI does not promise that, and indeed, does not work like that. |
x15. Never said it did mate, so you ought to get your facts right & not construe anything else into it!
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | To succeed takes study and plenty of work. |
x16. Tell me something that I don't already know!
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | Also you have to stick fairly rigidly to the Action Guide. |
x17. See x7.
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | That does not suit everyone |
x18. Amen to that.
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | Those that are able to put in the work, follow the Action Guide |
x19. As already said & from my own experience: "In it's present form it sucks!"
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | hope you find something that suits. |
x20. I will.
Thankyou.
Kind regards
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fundaccountant
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 4:37 pm
Post subject: SBI Meets and Exceeds My Expectations
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I am sorry you had a bad experience with SBI. My experience with them has been just the opposite.
I knew up front I would have only 25 wordtracker searches. Found that plenty for what I needed.
I was very skeptical at first also. I researched and studied everything I could find on SBI before I took the plunge and bought a 2 for 1 package.
I was very nervous about spending the money when I knew absolutely nothing about building a website, but their guarantee convinced me to try. It was the best business decision I have ever made.
Their action guide is wonderful. It doesn't just teach you how to build a site...it provides tips and advice on building a successful site. I watched the videos and printed the guide out and studied it on my lunch breaks, riding in the car with my husband, even waiting for doc appointments 
I built my first site in July of 2008 and my second site in October of 2008. First site is my pride and joy and also a wonderful source of income. With my second site, I thought I knew everything and didn't even bother to use those free word trackers...big mistake...picked too board a niche and after struggling with it for a couple of years (got smart and started using better keywords) I sold it for a nice profit. Hint...pick a topic you love...cuz you are going to spend a lot of time with it 
For my birthday last year, my dad gave me a SBI package and I built my third site on a subject I love...small business accounting. This site now brings in a very nice income for me too.
Biggest point I want to make...it wasn't easy. I knew absolutely nothing about a web business. But I took a wonderful product (SBI) and worked my butt off to make it work. This year all that hard work paid off when in March my husband was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer and because of my web business income my dear husband has been able to stay home and get stronger.
I guess I just wanted everyone who reads this post to know that not everyone has had a bad experience with SBI. They have answered every question I have ever threw at them even the stupid ones and have been the most supportive company I have ever had the pleasure of working with.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:54 pm
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I used SBI for awhile and was pleased with the results. I ended up going off in a different direction, but not because of anything they did.
The thing I found useful was all the free materials that they provide up front. Armed with the knowledge laid out in Ken's C->T->P->M you can build a successful website at SBI or on your own.
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