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eyes2005
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:59 am
Post subject: Free LSI suggestion tools ??
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| Do you have a list of Free 'LSI' keyword research tool, that you use for your keywords? |
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:13 am
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An interesting free one is http://www.quintura.com
For example, if you type in "books" it will give you various related keywords, such as
store, bestseller, browse, author interviews...
The free Google keyword tool - https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal - usually gives excellent "additional keywords to consider", many more than you'll normally find at Quintura.
You can also use http://thesaurus.reference.com .
If you use all three, in total you'll probably come up with a lot more phrases than you could possibly use in one article.
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I'm not much of a fan of StomperNet but I do believe there is a lot of logic in Leslie Rhodes.
He makes a very compelling argument that what Google is doing is NOT LSI.
"http://www.leslierohde.com/" is his blog but he doesn't update much.
Don't worry so much about LSI... it's a research theory. But do use a tool like Microsoft Word to find synonyms.
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 12:32 am
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| quest wrote: | | He makes a very compelling argument that what Google is doing is NOT LSI. |
Yeah, he says it's doing something else which is much cleverer.
Here's what Leslie Rhode says about LSI...
http://www.stomperblog.com/warning-advanced-seo-technique-does-not-work/
Here's a comment from SEO guy Jerry West:
| Quote: | Let’s face it, just the thought of LSI has always been ***. And then the talk of the Google patents and things just sort of snow ball and we often lose sight of what really matters when it comes to ranking criteria ...
So, why did I support something that really didn’t work? Because I was an idiot. Yes, an idiot. It happens. Let me explain.
When you test, it is vital that you have a control page and a test page … and after you are done testing, you remove what you did and it should return back as it was before. I was just blinded by “LSI” in that it worked so well that I never reverted back - I just kept moving forward. And then a new staff member suggested removing the LSI components to see exactly how much of effect it had on the rankings in Google. So we did and guess what?
The rankings didn’t move.
We then tore out LSI components from all the pages we could find that we used Marshall’s tool on and the same thing …. rankings didn’t move.
It was then when I realized that LSI was just a *** subject but not part of the algorithm as we had thought. |
Source: http://blog.seorevolution.com/2009/04/11/leslie-rohde-slams-the-lsi-model/
To me, if I'm writing an article, it just makes sense intuitively to think of synonyms and related phrases and use them naturally in the article.
If doing so does NOT help my page rank well, then I wonder why the Google search engine provides us with a way of finding related words or phrases?
For example, go to Google and do a search for...
~books (include the tilde ~)
...and you'll see that in the search results Google makes various related words bold, such as book, bookstore, textbooks, literature, publication, publications, publishing, fiction.
Google has gone to the trouble of collecting related keywords and has been doing this for years. Why is it collecting that information if it is not using it to help it rank web pages?
This doesn't make sense to me. What are we missing? What are we not being told?
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the tilde search is deliberately partly broken, in exactly the same way the link: search doesn't reveal all the links that Google knows about. Google apparently doesn't want SEO experts to scoop up its info too easily.
Here's a good reason to hunt for related words and phrases... It will help you write your article.
For example, let's say you do a search in Google for...
~help
...and that gives you helps, tutorial, manual, FAQ, support, problems, guide, troubleshooting.
You look at "troubleshooting" and think, "Of course!" I should have thought of that! I'll write a couple of paragraphs about troubleshooting.
At the very least, doing research on related words and phrases gives you a natural looking article, and acts as an idea generator for other articles.
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:00 am
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| Wow It' interesting tool.thanks for your sharing.. |
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| Quote: | | Wow It' interesting tool.thanks for your sharing.. |
What an insightful comment from a first time visitor from India. Didn't you comment my Blog yesterday about 1,000 times?
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