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gavrem
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:29 am
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This post is for Allan specifically but I would like other opinions on whether or not this could/should be done.
OK, we all know that this forum gets 'spidered' quite frequently and the posts can actually rank quite high for keywords. For example, one of my main keywords that I am targeting is 'discount heelys' because my site is about Heelys shoes. If you go to google and do a search: http://www.google.com/search?start=&q=discount+heelys you will see that positions #2 and #3 are both taken by posts that have been made from this forum, while my site struggles at #6 and #7.
While this is a great testament to the wonderful Forum and proof that Posting in Forums is beneficial  It also occurred to me that it can be used to help struggling sites more efficiently.
So here's my idea...
Is it possible to create another Forum Category specifically to allow people to make posts targeting the keywords that they are having problems with getting ranked for? The posts could read much like an adsense ad with a catchy 'subject' line (as that is what will be seen on the search engines) and some related content in the message body pointing the reader to their real website.
I know this is totally selfish on my part, but some of us are not even close to experts and could really use the help in targeting important keywords. I envision the category to be much like the MLM category in that nobody would go there to read anything, it sole purpose would be to assist struggling websites by (lets be blunt here) using the PR that Allan has worked so hard to achieve.
I know I am asking a lot, but I thought it was a good idea. After all, we're all here to help each other in one way or another 
What do you think...
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:40 am
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Interesting idea. If you post interesting ideas like this regularly, and use a signature with links to your pages, that may accomplish some of what you're trying to acheive.
OK, it's a good post, but read it again and see if you can find an important part that is missing.
A little puzzle... 
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:47 am
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| I dont think its a good idea at all. Basically your asking to piggy back on Allans hard work his put into his site to benefit yourself? Sorry to be blunt about the matter but thats how I see it. This is an affiliate forum and the theme of the threads should stay on the subject. |
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gavrem
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:56 am
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| dcristo wrote: | | Basically your asking to piggy back on Allans hard work his put into his site to benefit yourself? Sorry to be blunt about the matter but thats how I see it. |
No need to be blunt about it as thats exactly what I said in my original post ...
| gavrem wrote: | | ...it sole purpose would be to assist struggling websites by (lets be blunt here) using the PR that Allan has worked so hard to achieve. |
and the benefit would not just be for me, but for all of those who are getting into this affiliate game. Additionally, it would be a means of getting extra traffic to visit Allan's Forum here and who knows, they might even get interested and purchase something from one of the many affiliate links found in hundreds of posts and throughout this great site of his.
I thought I was pretty clear in my original post that this was a totally selfish request on the part of the members to 'use' Allans work to our benefit. However, we are basically doing it anyways when we attach our signature to a post. I just thought we can be more upfront, and blatantly produce a post directed at our hard to target keywords, and put them in a seperate category that no member would read anyways, much like the MLM promotion category... 
like I said, as long as we are doing it anyways with signatures, lets be blunt and upfront and not hide the fact that we are looking for an extra PR boost.
For some of you who are already well established, this might not seem like a good idea to allow newbies to catch up so quick. But I see it as a benefit to all as long as it is somewhat moderated and does not get out of hand
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:59 pm
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| gavrem wrote: | | I thought I was pretty clear in my original post that this was a totally selfish request on the part of the members to 'use' Allans work to our benefit. |
Yes, it was clear, but being honest about it doesn't make it any less selfish.
If you want to inspire some partnerships, how about some equally creative ideas regarding how you could help Allan in return, or perhaps more appropriately, those who are less experienced than yourself.
This is business, what can you put on the table? How about a forum on your site where others can get a little PR boost for free?
Please forgive me, I'm not reacting so much to you and your post, which was interesting and really no big deal, but to an overall mindset so prevalent on the Net.
Just yesterday I got an email from someone who said my service looked great until he discovered (gasp!) that he had to do one little thing for me in order to get it. I didn't mind that he wasn't interested in that particular deal, but clearly what inspired his mail was a "how dare I" make conditions and interupt his ability to get, get, get without giving back.
I guess it's inevitable that the web publishing free content model would inspire such an attitude, but sometimes we get a bit carried away with it.
Before I get carried away too, best of luck to you. There's a difference between objecting to an idea and a person, and I hope I've made that at least somewhat clear.
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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:57 pm
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Hi Phil and thanks for the post. I understand exactly what you are objecting to and your explanation and post are spot on as usual.
I am striving to be able to get to the level that I can contribute to this affiliate game as much as some of your are able to. You brought out some very good points about being able to give back, and what can I put on the table etc...
To be honest, thats kind of what lead me to start the post. I have nothing to give back at this point. My signature contains my one and only web site (so far) It has PR0 and it wasn't created using SBI or any of Martells style etc.. I built it using a sample template straight out of Dreamweaver... lol
I am as 'newbie' as they get. I built the site over the Christmas Holidays after seeing my sons enjoy Heelys so much and put it live in the beginning of January. I am quite surprised that it has even done anything. 300+ Unique visitors in Jan and over 1200+ so far this month. Has made $96 in commissions and [Deleted. Admin.] from Adsense. To me a resounding success, to others a mere pittance.
Anyways, I understand what you meant and I know it is a totally selfish request on behalf of all of us newbies who have nothing (yet) to give back. But I will continue to contribute when I can and as the saying goes "You'll never get it if you don't ask"
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:49 am
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Oops! Don't tell us how much you made from AdSense! That's supposed to be top secret.   |
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:53 am
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Gavrem,
This forum is already helping you by being indexed by Google
Yoru proposition would let the forum in a totally different direction, which I am sure neither Allan nor most of us would find appropriate.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:49 am
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It's an intriguing idea. I think the essence is that people who start new sites always want to find places where they can gets links to their sites.
Anyone who can launch a business that really helps those people should be on winner. There must be lots of different ways of approaching this opportunity.
One big challenge is that the really useful links are the ones that come from popular, closely related sites.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:58 am
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | It's an intriguing idea. I think the essence is that people who start new sites always want to find places where they can gets links to their sites.
Anyone who can launch a business that really helps those people should be on winner. |
That does make sense. I'd love to believe it.
But there's something going on that we (or at least I) don't understand.
My site delivers link partners in to people's laps no charge.
Your 23,000 newsletter subscribers, a perfectly targeted audience, heard about the site on 2 occasions, with a generous recommendation from you each time.
About 1% signed up.
99% said no thanks.
This doesn't prove anything conclusive, but it at least raises a doubt as to how many people are actually looking for links.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:30 pm
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | Your 23,000 newsletter subscribers, a perfectly targeted audience, heard about the site on 2 occasions, with a generous recommendation from you each time.
About 1% signed up.
99% said no thanks. |
Taking into account Allan's preselling skills and the relationship with his list, I think it's fair to say they aren't "a perfectly targeted audience" or the offer wasn't "perfectly targeted".
| Quote: | | This doesn't prove anything conclusive, but it at least raises a doubt as to how many people are actually looking for links. |
Allan - how about a survey of your list. What stage they're at, what do they expect, etc?
Just a thought,
Charlie.
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:10 pm
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| Charlie wrote: | | Taking into account Allan's preselling skills and the relationship with his list, I think it's fair to say they aren't "a perfectly targeted audience" or the offer wasn't "perfectly targeted". |
Yes, you're right of course. I'm contradicting myself. If they didn't buy it, they aren't targeted, by definition. Good point.
I guess what I was trying to say was that I can't think of an audience that is better suited for that offer, or a better salesperson. Can you?
It could be that my specific presentation and offer didn't hit the mark, or it could be that we've greatly overestimated the level of interest in obtaining links. I'd prefer that it were my offer/presentation that was the problem, because then I'd still be in control. But honestly, I have no idea where the reality lies.
I just don't take it as a given at this point that lots of webmasters are seeking links, because I just don't have evidence to support it yet.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:04 am
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| Phil Tanny wrote: | | I guess what I was trying to say was that I can't think of an audience that is better suited for that offer, or a better salesperson. Can you? |
Target SEOs more specifically. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:31 pm
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Hello Phil.
| Phil Tanny wrote: | | I guess what I was trying to say was that I can't think of an audience that is better suited for that offer, or a better salesperson. Can you? |
I suppose a group of knowledgable webmasters with existing sites would be ideal, but short of tapping into some sort of customer list (by giving some excellent incentive to the list owner), I'm not sure how.
| Quote: | | I'd prefer that it were my offer/presentation that was the problem, because then I'd still be in control. But honestly, I have no idea where the reality lies. |
Short of test two offers to the same list, who knows.
| Quote: | | I just don't take it as a given at this point that lots of webmasters are seeking links, because I just don't have evidence to support it yet. |
I'm sure lots of webmasters are seeking links, but perhaps many of them like to control who they link to and some may even worry that "free" means "not worth anything".
Cheers,
Charlie.
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:01 pm
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| Charlie wrote: | | Allan - how about a survey of your list. What stage they're at, what do they expect, etc? |
Great idea, but... Let's say I get a fantastic reponse - 10% of my readers participate. How do I know that their answers are representative?
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