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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:45 am Post subject:
Fab wrote:
Also, if you click on the "Auctions" link under the word "Shopping", you'll find a page with a large arrow pointing the visitor directly towards the AdSense ads. Interesting approach.
It's against the rules and can cost him his Adsense account.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:35 am Post subject:
Has anyone tried experimenting with the yellow arrow "Traffic-Stopper" shown on page 21 of Joel's book or something similar?
That looks like a brilliant idea. That was an "Ah-ha" moment for me.
Joel shows us a site which is using this technique - apparently acceptable to Google - but he doesn't mention trying it himself.
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Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Location: K?nigstein, Germany
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:44 am Post subject:
AllanGardyne wrote:
Has anyone tried experimenting with the yellow arrow "Traffic-Stopper" shown on page 21 of Joel's book or something similar?
I don?t have the book. Do you mean something like the arrow at coolshopping.info? As far as I understand the Google rules, this is not allowed. I think he?s risking his Adsense account.
Would you risk an income of 15K per month? Stupid!
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What I dislike in his sales pitch is, that he somehow suggests a CTR of 20% is possible. I hardly believe this. Maybe on a single page but not on average.
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Speaking from personal experience, average CTR's of 20% and up are quite possible.
While I cannot comment on Joel's book, I have used Jonathan Ledger's AdSense Gold package techniques plus some other things I have read. Experimenting with the look and positioning of the AdSense block is critical - you will eventually find a combination that works far better than the rest...
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Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 122 Location: K?nigstein, Germany
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject:
lurathsw wrote:
Speaking from personal experience, average CTR's of 20% and up are quite possible.
You really mean you have a let us say 50 page web site with Adsense on each page and on average you get a CTR of 20% ? I believe half of it, yes. But 20% ? Can you show me a site ? Send me a link via PM?
Has anyone tried experimenting with the yellow arrow "Traffic-Stopper" shown on page 21 of Joel's book or something similar? ... Joel shows us a site which is using this technique - apparently acceptable to Google - but he doesn't mention trying it himself.
Allan,
I haven't purchased the ebook so I don't know what's on page 21, but coolshopping.info has the yellow arrow. Coolshopping.info is linked from worldvillage.com and so is buyersuniverse.com. All three of those domains are registered to Joel according to WHOIS. I don't know how many others are involved, I just noted those three.
That's why I mentioned in a previous post in this thread that crosslinking doesn't seem to be hurting him. I know crosslinking is of special interest to you based on one of your previous newsletters.
Also, on the topic of duplicate content - take a look at coolshopping.info and buyersuniverse.com.
As for using the yellow arrow or a similar technique, I might try it if I can become comfortable that it isn't a violation of AdSense terms. However, I don't think I would do it the way Joel does it. Having that text about "hot deals in our online auction database" beside the huge arrow pointing to AdSense ads instead of actually pointing online auctions is misleading to site visitors.
When I look back at the last 7 days. Friday and Saturday are the worst days. Monday is always a high-traffic day on my sites. Last Monday was better then Friday and Saturday together. So no linear data.
Yesterday, February 21, was somewhat of a holiday in the U.S. I say "somewhat" because federal government offices were closed, as were banks, some schools, and some businesses. However, a lot of businesses were open.
It's interesting to note that my results for yesterday were in between what is usual for a weekend day and what is usual for a weekday. Today, a normal weekday/workday for most people, my results seem to be tracking to be back to normal.
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1761 Location: Bangor, Maine
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject:
Fab wrote:
When I look back at the last 7 days. Friday and Saturday are the worst days. Monday is always a high-traffic day on my sites. Last Monday was better then Friday and Saturday together. So no linear data.
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You also have to take into account how many sites Joel has. He doesn't say, other than he has many. I have 7 sites... some do well on weekends, some do well on weekdays. Overall, they even themselves out.
You also have to take into account how many sites Joel has. He doesn't say, other than he has many. I have 7 sites... some do well on weekends, some do well on weekdays. Overall, they even themselves out.
Yes, I agree.
If you have sites on diiferent topics, you can get consistent average.
If anybody tries yellow arrow method, please give us feedback.
Joined: 09 Aug 2003 Posts: 1838 Location: Columbus, OH
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject:
Bobby wrote:
robertb wrote:
I read through that post. Talk about a bunch of whiney babies.... Haven't heard that much crying in a long time.
Not exactly a motivated & positive group is it Robert?
Yeah, I know. Sort of "the entire world is against me so I don't believe anyone else" mentality.
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Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 1322 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject:
robertb wrote:
Yeah, I know. Sort of "the entire world is against me so I don't believe anyone else" mentality.
Yea, some of the guys in that thread got kinda wound up, as guys will do.
That said, I think viewing the typical Net business sales page with a certain amount of skeptism as your default starting position isn't evidence of a "negative attitude" given that a great number of such pages are very carefully designed with exaggaration at the least and out right baloney in the worst cases.
This book likely does not fall in to that category. I'm not in a position to know one way or another.
But, as you've seen, this author is going to lose a lot of sales for no other reason than that a lot of potential customers are burned out on trying to figure out what is real, and what is monkey business.
You can blame that on the potential customers if you wish, I feel it's more constructive to point to those writing the monkey business.
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject:
Phil Tanny wrote:
That said, I think viewing the typical Net business sales page with a certain amount of skeptism as your default starting position isn't evidence of a "negative attitude" given that a great number of such pages are very carefully designed with exaggaration at the least and out right baloney in the worst cases.
I'll agree with you there, but we don't know what's behind the sales page. As many copyrighters will tell you, things that might turn off some customers, do lead to an overall boost in conversions.
You're going to offend some people no matter what you do, and like you said, most people view sales pages with skeptism anyhow, so why take less sales in order to offend less people? Now, I'm not saying to be vulgar or anything like that, but if changing a few words, fonts, colors around doubles your sales, why WOULDN'T you do it? _________________ Robert
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