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MakeMoney
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 8:28 pm
Post subject: Anyone doing well in google with a martell site?
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Is anyone doing well on their major/primary site keywords in google with a martell style site? Not with article pages but with their main site keywords/main product page keywords? Does the martell type structure work well with a hilltop type (or whatever google is using) search engine algorithm?
I'm just asking because I have been looking at some sbi sites and other somewhat differently structured sites (like myweddingfavors.com) and they seem to rank very well across the se's on somewhat strong keywords (as judged by overture) including and especially in google.
Just separately - I wish there was a site where you could submit a url and it would analyze your site's internal structure and show you how your site distributes its pr over a number of iterations, giving you the pr of each page, based just on the sites structure, number of pages, outbound links but not inbound links. |
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Gavan
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:30 pm
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| I have 5 Martell style sites. I do very well in Yahoo. I'm not doing well in Google. |
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Tanya T.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:28 am
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Gavan, Robert, do you mean paid inclusion in Yahoo?
I can't say how I am doing, because I am building my first  But hoping for the best, of course
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MakeMoney
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:13 pm
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Rob, how about your sbi sites, do they do better generally across the se's vs. martell or is it the same - a site will do better in one engine and less better or much less better in another engine?
I'm asking because I'm trying to determine the best site and link architecture to use for maximum rank across the engines. Does anyone know any sites that discuss this aspect of seo in depth?
I like the way sbi sites are organized. I don't necessarliy like the way they look (having to scroll down on the main pages to see a long list of articles), but it seems pr is pased in the most efficient way to the articles. Instead of passing pr to an article listing page, it seems the sbi technique is to pass it directly to the article - wish I understood the pr issue better but I'm learning.
Just as an aside, one mistake (at least I think it was) that I made with a martell site early on was to remove the links to the article listing pages from the index page - just keeping the article pages (meaning a page where a set of articles are listed) on the sitemap.
I think I had asked someone if it was ok to do this and they said that it was alright as long as the page and the articles on it had been spidered as that is the main goal. However, if my understanding or pr passing is correct, if you put the article listing pages on the sitemap only (after first letting them get indexed by google via putting them on the index as well initially), you won't be passing pr directly (from index) to the article page and then to the articles anymore. They will be getting less pr because the trail would then only be index-sitemap-article page-articles, an extra step to deliver the pr, instead of index-article page-articles (as well as the listing on the sitemap).
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Gavan
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 1:49 pm
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| Quote: | Gavan, Robert, do you mean paid inclusion in Yahoo?
I can't say how I am doing, because I am building my first But hoping for the best, of course |
I also mean the actual Yahoo search engine (not using paid inclusion (SiteMatch) or Overture PPC). It took a while to get listed (I think about 8 months or so) but now I'm getting hundreds of visitors a day from Yahoo. I also did great in MSN until they started using their new engine.  |
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robertb
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 7:37 pm
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| MakeMoney wrote: | Rob, how about your sbi sites, do they do better generally across the se's vs. martell or is it the same - a site will do better in one engine and less better or much less better in another engine?
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Honestly, not considering the age of my sites, and amount of content, my SBI and Martell sites perform about the same in the SEs. Using SBI first certainly did "spring board" my knowledge of things, so it's not like I'm paying Sitesell $$ for nothing.
In addition, I find the MailOut manager for my SBI sites is more than worth the annual cost alone.
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John Lenaghan
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:20 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | Using SBI first certainly did "spring board" my knowledge of things, so it's not like I'm paying Sitesell $$ for nothing. |
I found the opposite to be true. I've had an SBI site for almost two years, but it didn't really come together in my mind until I read James Martell's manual.
I'm working on a new SBI site now and I'm incorporating some of the things I've learned from the Martell Handbook along with some of the recommendations from SBI. It's too soon to see how it works out, but I definitely made better progress in SBI after understanding the Martell method.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:53 am
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| Gavan wrote: | | I also mean the actual Yahoo search engine (not using paid inclusion (SiteMatch) or Overture PPC). It took a while to get listed (I think about 8 months or so) but now I'm getting hundreds of visitors a day from Yahoo.( |
Did you have to buy a Yahoo directory listing to get into the Yahoo web search results? Or was it just a matter of being patient? |
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Gavan
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:25 pm
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| Quote: | | Did you have to buy a Yahoo directory listing to get into the Yahoo web search results? Or was it just a matter of being patient? |
No, you don't need aI directory listing to get listed in the Yahoo web search. Yes, you do have to be patient. I have some sites that have been up for about a year now and they still haven't been spidered completely |
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speedguide
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 4:26 pm
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I have both SBI and Martell... both equal in my results. I've said it before and will say it again.
SBI and Martell are just frameworks. Your "success" sits completely in your hands. How much work do you want to do?
On a side note --- I highly recommend you read the new book by Jack Canfield - Author of Chicken Soup for the Soul --- "The Succes Principles"
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dcristo
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:54 am
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| Gavan wrote: | | No, you don't need aI directory listing to get listed in the Yahoo web search. Yes, you do have to be patient. I have some sites that have been up for about a year now and they still haven't been spidered completely |
I realise that. Ive had many sites indexed in Yahoo's normal search results without the need for a directory listing. However, on a recent site I am optimising (which is very commercial in nature) it appears I either have to be more patient (only been about 2 months) or I need to get a directory listing (it's suggested on Yahoo's site getting a listing increases your chances of appearing in the normal search results) The site has plenty of backlinks that's definately not the problem.
Spending the money on the directory listing would be well worth it if it ensures you get in the normal search results and saves you having to wait 8 months. |
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:33 am
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dcristo,
Checking out blogging... send me a PM and I'll send you a newsletter I wrote on it.
All the Best,
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Gavan
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:38 pm
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| Quote: | | Spending the money on the directory listing would be well worth it if it ensures you get in the normal search results and saves you having to wait 8 months. |
I agree. If this really helps it would be worth it. Does anyone know another way to get fully indexed by Yahoo faster? I have heard about blogging and pinging, does that work? |
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