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Francisco Aloy



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:20 pm    Post subject: Strategic linking a failure? Reply with quote

Hi All, Smile

It has been my experience that most folks don't care to do
linking as a strategy to increase sales and exposure.

The folks I've encountered just want to be done with linking in a
few seconds and move on.

At times, they will link to a page you didn't want them to link to.

All this because they want to move on to the next partner and do the same thing.

I'm I correct in the impression it takes a little more for effective linking?

If it's so important, why don't folks take the time to do it right?

Thanks for your input.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 3:36 am    Post subject: Re: Strategic linking a failure? Reply with quote

Francisco Aloy wrote:
At times, they will link to a page you didn't want them to link to.


If your not happy with the link arrangement just move on. The internet is a big place.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Strategic linking a failure? Reply with quote

dcristo wrote:
Francisco Aloy wrote:
At times, they will link to a page you didn't want them to link to.


If your not happy with the link arrangement just move on. The internet is a big place.


Hi dcristo,

I wish it was that easy. What I'm talking about is the general
attitude I've encountered.

What most folks want is a simple link to up their SE ranking.
They don't care where you put it, as long as you give it to them.

I've done my best to explain to them that the keywords they
target will give them relevancy. Most of the time, I get "what
does that have to do with the price of rice..."

If they can't see it for their own selves...who am I to
convince them?

Francisco
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:26 am    Post subject: linking Reply with quote

Linking is one of the best ways to get FREE advertising,but it got to be with the correct sites and not FFA and free classifieds as no one ever reads them.I spend hours looking for sites and independant portals.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: linking Reply with quote

philb wrote:
Linking is one of the best ways to get FREE advertising,but it got to be with the correct sites and not FFA and free classifieds as no one ever reads them.I spend hours looking for sites and independant portals.


Hi philb, Smile

Yeah, I can echo that!

I've spent hours looking for links and when I approach
many of the webmasters, they act like linking can be done
in a willy-nilly fashion...like other than the SE ranking, it
doesn't matter.

This is my point: If you don't take the time to work with your
linking partner to insure you will both gain keyword relevance..
what's the use? The linking is good, but what about wasting 9/10ths
of the benefit?

It's like they took all that trouble to leave the caviar on their
plate. I don't understand it.

Francisco
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: Linking Reply with quote

I have been working on the net for many years now.I think what people don't understand is that the unless you are willing to pay the major search engines. You need to know how a web site works. Most business schemes that provide web sites for you, are built from a script that does not produce meta tags.If you have no meta tags you won't even get listed.A web site is just like owning a shop on the ground, if noone knows your shop exsists you won't sell anything.But there are some engines that don't spider and do visit your site by manual means.This does take time to sort out the good ones and at the mo i am building a web site to help people place good links and find the best business schemes.
My link below is prob one of the best around in the UK and will build a long term future providing you are willing to put the effort in as most of us are!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francisco - all I am saying is dont get bogged down trying to teach everyone how they should be doing things. If your time is important, just move on to find a link partner that knows what they are doing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Links again Reply with quote

I can understand you want to promote your search engine! and I will submit some of my sites. But you have no meta tags in your web site.This means google or altavista etc would not give you a ranking. The art of being sucessfull on the web is knowing how it works and what to do to make it work.There are many get rich schemes around but many of them are false and you do end up working hard for nothing.Any scheme that I advertise as long as you are willing to put the effort in will make lots of money!
If you do want some advice on meta tags please feel free to email me and I will send you the code top put into your site.Hope this helps!
phillaptop-AT-tiscali DOT co DOT uk
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll actually find my site is indexed in Google and the other search engines. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Links again Reply with quote

philb wrote:
you have no meta tags in your web site.This means google or altavista etc would not give you a ranking.


I hope you aint giving this same advice on your own website.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Links again Reply with quote

philb wrote:
I can understand you want to promote your search engine! and I will submit some of my sites. But you have no meta tags in your web site.This means google or altavista etc would not give you a ranking.


Maybe that's the way Tiscali works but I don't believe Google looks at your meta tags anymore for ranking purposes. Look at this site: www.babyjogger.com. It comes up No. 1 for the term "baby jogger" in Google yet has no meta tags (well, actually, one but completely irrelevant from a SE point of view). Actually, the site doesn't even have much content at all. But, it has many links in and a few very high quality links, many with the anchor text, "baby jogger". It is also No. 1 in Yahoo and No. 6 in Altavista.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: linking Reply with quote

Iam very pleased that your site has come up No 1 for the term baby jogger in google I should lots and lots of people search for the with the word baber jogger.I did check things like baby, equipment,push chairs, prams,babies etc etc and you where no where to be seen! That is why you need meta tags.And by the way I did not build the site in my signature it's just one of the business I promote and do make a lot of money from.I was only trying to give some help as I have been doing this for a number of years.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that I have somehow offended you with my post (which was not my intent). In any case, that's not my site but the point I was making still stands--you don't need meta tags for SE ranking for most major SEs (but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have them). (Btw, 62 targeted visitors search for "baby jogger" a day according to WT, but I digress...)

I hope you have a prosperous 2005 with your SE placement business and, again, my apology if I have somehow offended you.

Cheers.

p.s. maybe the KW meta tag may have some use for regional SEs and non-majors, and used very peripherally by major SEs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi to All and thank you for your input. Smile

In my humble opinion, being very new to website building and promotion,
I'm just simply amazed at the poor results I've achieved.

The time spent on quality link building is enormous. Once I get an
interested party, most of them don't want to take the time to get
all they can from the linking.

I call it amazing because they grab the link and don't care to use the
keywords that will give them relevancy ,and perhaps, SE dominance.

If that was something that happened only so often, it wouldn't be a big
deal. However, I see it occurring all the time.

Francisco
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: linking Reply with quote

I do know what you are saying and you are right in what you say.But also what I say is true.My main point in the very begining was that some people think by submitting to ffa's and linking to any site they will get good quality hits.
I am no expert and it has taken a lot of time and wasted effort to learn the do's and dont's of getting hits. I was not offended by what you said and I hope people reading these will get at least one thing ( that it is not easy!!!)
good luck with your business
You might want to list your site here, it gats a lot of hits.
http://www.cornwall-search.co.uk/
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