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MakeMoney
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yeah i was gonna say it was a lot more expensive that $170 lol.
I do like Jame's book. I found it very helpful. Honestly, I did get spooked by what happened to his sites in google and that is why I wanted to take a look at some seo courses. But what he says seems pretty solid, especially with his latest recommendations. |
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modestmouser
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johncpu
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Welcome mouser !
Not sure about the 1st-in-net-shopping thing. If I recall, that only listed a handful of his many sites. But I've wondered if he had something similar in mind for his thehistoryof.net site |
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modestmouser
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MakeMoney
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btw, rlray216
I noticed that you are using sitemeter. I've used them in the past before and I just I looked them up in google and they have no PR and are not listed nor have any back links. Does that mean they were banned? |
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Gnoes
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I just did a site:http://www.sitemeter.com at Google and I still see pages of Sitemeter. But the query results are some sort of redirects. Different domains take you to the Sitemeter pages. Sitemeters own domain doesn't show up in the results. Looks like Google is tightening some rules here.
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MakeMoney
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| Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Wonder if whatever penalty they got would propagate to you if you are linking to them via the counter. Sucks, I wanted to use them. |
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rlray216
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MakeMoney
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| I see. Seems like this loss of google inclusion is new cause I remember them showing not too long ago. I like site meter, was surprised to see that. Maybe its just a temporary thing, a redirect confusion. |
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asdfgh
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Just thought I would comment here. If James' sites are being banned for what he teaches in his manual, then get ready to see about 90 percent of the websites in Google get banned. Here's a newsflash though:he doesn't teach anything that will result in a ban. Now, that doesn't mean he isn't DOING some things that will result in a ban, but he doesn't teach his customers to do those things. Therefore he owes no explanation to anyone. He only owes you an explanation if the methods he teaches can cause you to be banned. Other than that scenario, its really none of your business what's going on with his sites or why he got banned.
Another thing: G's not going to ban you because of poor content, or because of a disorganized sitemap page, or any linking structure you set up within your own site. Geez people, use a little common sense. |
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johncpu
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| Quote: | | being banned for what he teaches in his manual, then get ready to see about 90 percent of the websites |
Huh ?? First of all, no one said anything about "what he teaches". As for the 90%, Im sure you meant that as hyperbole. To believe that 90% of sites optimise and are built like Martell, well.... lol
| Quote: | | Now, that doesn't mean he isn't DOING some things that will result in a ban, |
Exactly.
| Quote: | | He only owes you an explanation if the methods he teaches can cause you to be banned. |
Interesting view.. unless you care about credibility. A driving instructor may not teach me bad behavior. But if he gets his own license taken away b/c of reckless driving - he either owns up to it, explains it, or quits teaching. To ignore it loses credibility.
Martell has a lot of students that look up to him and what he does, and he's made a ton of money teaching and selling his book. So he owes his customers an explanation just like any ohter professional business would. It's also called public accountability, and as you say, "common sense" for any business that wants to maintain a good reputation.
| Quote: | | G's not going to ban you because of poor content, or because of a disorganized sitemap page, or any linking structure you set up within your own site |
Agreed. Except that .. the issue about content was not just "poor content", and the issue about linking is called cross-linking - not "within your own site".
I just hope James recovers without having to redo every one of his sites. |
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robertb
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| Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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| johncpu wrote: | | Quote: | | being banned for what he teaches in his manual, then get ready to see about 90 percent of the websites |
Huh ?? First of all, no one said anything about "what he teaches". As for the 90%, Im sure you meant that as hyperbole. To believe that 90% of sites optimise and are built like Martell, well.... lol
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I think the point they were trying to make was the way James sites are created are no huge "secret" it uses basics and organization that is common on a lot of sites. James simply lays it out for you in an easy to use format.
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johncpu
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| Quote: | | I think the point they were trying to make... |
Yes, I agree. Thats why I said it must be a hyperbole  |
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esteneker
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:36 am Post subject: On a side note |
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On a side note... recently another guy (not JM) had his site banned, which URL coincidentally started with 1st-....
From what I could see there was nothing wrong with it.
Maybe it is just a case of 1st-in, first out?
All the best,
Erwin.
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Charlie
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: On a side note |
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| esteneker wrote: | | Maybe it is just a case of 1st-in, first out? |
I'm not so sure...
Many of these techie types prefer stacks. 
Just a thought,
Charlie.
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