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horusprim · **Joined**: 01 Dec 2004 **Posts**: 11

I discovered this product called Doorway Ninja located at http://www.success-products.com/greatscript/ . This product is by Kim Thomas and it creates doorway pages

Initially, the product gave me pause because I keep reading that doorway pages are spammy and will get your site banned.

However, this product seems different because this script allows you to supply the content as opposed to it being generated.

Has anyone used this product? Is it any good? Question

dcristo · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 5:39 am Post subject:

The word doorway pages rings alarm bells.

Debs · **Joined**: 16 Aug 2003 **Posts**: 4296 **Location**: NY

I don't know the product but I can help with understanding doorway pages ... then you can decide as you evaluate the product as to whether you wish to use it.

Doorway pages are offsite (off the main site they are intended to help) keyword focused pages that are allegedly designed to rank well in the SE's as stand alone pages to draw traffic and funnel it to a primary (main) site. This technique, when used onsite, is commonly referred to as a hallway page.

The nature of these pages ... being stand alone or 'orphan' pages is what makes them susceptible to being tagged as spam, not just the content that is on them. SE's do have a tendency to ignore orphan pages (pages that are not linked to from anywhere) and in some instances, tag them as spam via their algo.

Link popularity is an important part of Google's algo, and appears to be on its way to becoming an important part of the algo of other SE's as well ... orphan pages by their definition will not garner Link Popularity and since Doorway and Hallway pages (as commonly defined) are orphan pages, they risk the spam tag regardless of content.

So, depending on how you intend to use the pages created would go a long way in determining whether you have created spam or quality content Wink

Hope this helps,
Debs
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edburdo · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject:

And here is something to think about... If your going to provide the content for the "doorway pages", why not just use it as regular content. You'll be better off that way.
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AllanGardyne · Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject:

I had a quick look. I didn't see any testimonials or any proof that it works.

If you use software which creates thousands of pages you run the risk that Google will figure out a way of detecting your pages and penalize your site because of it.

If I wanted to test this software, I'd do so on a site that wasn't owned by me and wasn't linking to my sites.
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kthomas · **Joined**: 08 Dec 2004 **Posts**: 8

Ok let's me help you out with some answers to your questions.

Question: If you can create content why not created yourself and not use this tools?

Answer: While this question seems legit the poster does not understand nature of keywords.

Each website at best can only optimize for about 3 keywords. If you sit there and optimize even 10 pages so that to achieve 30 keywords, how much does it take you to do?

Doorway ninja reduces your web creation time by allowing you key in your own content one line at a time in a 6 text files. the script takes each line at random and make sure not one single page is an identical of another. Thus you can realistcally take a web page, any one at all, and use variables just like word doc mail merge, and create a 'template' of your own that is optimized. Next step is to use this script to create 1,10 or 100 or even 1000 pages with each page contains about 3 keywords and all your pages are optimized from that one template.

You can have unlimited templates -- of your own choosing.

We test drive the keyword density of our pages and they are at the excellent percentage based on the template that I provided with your purchase.

Question: Door way seem scary -- and banned by the search engines. Look at the all of pages that this script produced and tell me exactly how these are banned?

Answer: There is absolutely no way any of these pages can be banned because they are just regular websites with excellent content and are completely optimize with 3 keywords with each page.

Tell me if you would ban any site from this page ..
http://doorwayninja.com/sitemap.html

Or from this page
http://casinogamblingonline.us/sitemap.html

or this page
http://wwwlevitra.com/erectile-dysfunction-sitemap.html

kt

kthomas · **Joined**: 08 Dec 2004 **Posts**: 8

Doorway Ninja isn't behave like metawebs or ranking power or traffic equalizer that liter search engines with junks.

It's a template engines that interprets your own created templates.

How do you create your own template?

Easy ...

First pick a web style that you like ... any web style at all

then open it up

using wordpad or notepad insert variables such as these:

%_variables1_% ...
%_variables2_% ...
%_variables3_% ...

to 8 wherever you want inside that html.

Since it's you who creates of your own template ... how on earth the search engines can know that they are templates driven?

Most of businesses use word doc mail merge to mail you "customized" letters. Do you realistically think their secrectary just sit there and type in your name your address one letter at at time?

No sir, they use mail merge.

Doorway Ninja is behaved LIKE MAIL MERGE. It runs through merge processor and replace your templates with real data.

That's all!

kt

robertb · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: Re: Doorway Ninja creator

AllanGardyne · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:55 am Post subject:

Another challenge is that for a site to rank well it needs to get links from sites in related industries, and the higher quality the better. So you have to convince other sites that yours is worth linking to.
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kthomas · **Joined**: 08 Dec 2004 **Posts**: 8

Address several questions

The linking should be used on the main sales page or main web page but not on the information pages such as doorway ninja pages.

Door way pages by definition are pages that are leading customers back to your other pages by provide teasing sentences ....

also

Doorway ninja pages are created to capture obscure keywords that you don't have time to create website for.

If 1 percent of the customers who get to your site based on one these pages and 99 percent of them don't, what do you have to lose?

You did not get them in the first place and 1 percent is still better than zero percent.

As far as random content, because it's you who created them .. think out of the box and use tips of the days or quote of the days and/or making your sentence make sense on its won.

esteneker · Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:25 pm Post subject:

Hi All,

From what I see there is nothing here what you couldn't do without just using word, write a document with a number of keyword variabels in it, and mailmerge it with a list of keywords to target..'
Copy / paste into a web page. Hey presto!

Don't need your product for that. (Sorry).

And, for what it's worth... these pages don't draw me into a site.
Nothing beats real life content.

Just my 2 cents.

All the best,

Erwin.
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kthomas · **Joined**: 08 Dec 2004 **Posts**: 8

How are you going to merge your document with Word ... without creating your own dataset?

By creating your own dataset to use with Word, your time is exactly the same spent to create doorway ninja template.

Adn word can't understand rotate content ... so all of your content are the same ..

So how much time do you think it'll take you to create such a merge system?

for you probably takes forever ... (just kidding)

Doorway Ninja are not designed to replace your main websites. But
at best you use it to create a base empty site as a frame and you still can add your own content to it as neccessary.

So each time you want to create a new website, all you need to do is to add new content and all of your title tags and headings tags, picture tags ect.. are already optimized, including footer and header.

Wouldn't this beat to have to do it manually each time?

The magnitude of this product can only be understood correctly for someone who does alot of SEO works.

It's only 67 dollars and it saves hundreds of hours to optimize a site. Any body who values his/her time will want to own it.

The great thing about Doorway Ninja is:

You don't have to use the content it created...

Add your own ...

kt

horusprim · **Joined**: 01 Dec 2004 **Posts**: 11

kthomas · **Joined**: 08 Dec 2004 **Posts**: 8

Hi,

You can do what you want ... But there is no redirect at all but true links ...

In essence you want to use teasing paragraphs about your theme site inside these pages so that you would hope customers will come to see you. As you can see from my sample site (which takes me 5 minutes to put together just for show) I provide several link options and all those options put money in my pocket regardless which site the customers decide to visit.

For those of you who are lazy like me and/or who just don't have the time to create your minisites from scratch, use this product to build a set of templates that are "optimized" and that you can use over and over again ... for any set of keywords and for any set of content.

The product will not be sold very long ... really -- I don't know if I have time to support it. My time rather spent creating pages that help me .. in affiliate marketing and when I make that first million I'll come back and sell this product for $297.00 a piece or more.

And you know I am not sure why you guys labor over these resell rights and how to write ebooks ... etc ... or spend in ordinate amount of time dreaming getting rich selling ebook. Yeah! right!

Every each day I see some kind of offers in my mail box ... With those offers you make these gurus rich. But "rich" in what sense? I am not sure how many millionaires are in our mist. Big money is in affiliate marketing -- in a non traditional route plus selling products online. The other way at best you can get to work from home but filthy rich ... I doubt it.

But I only speak from my own experience -- and one isn't a good sample size. Not sure on the average how much these gurus make!

Just take John Reese for example -- he sold $1,000,000 of products and within that how much goes to his affiliates? how much go into overhead and inventory? how much go into his time sitting there and record all of the audios and videos? When you break them all down? what is the net? $100,000 maybe for all of that work ...

Sorry for rambling on ...

My advice to you is: doorway ninja is a solid product and if you're smart you grab it. However it's NOT for the novice. You need to understand how to run program, how to edit html pages and upload-download webpages. But these are essential knowledge any how that you must know to make money on the net.

later ...

kt