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ekalski
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:16 am
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I want to use some articles from ArticleCity.com. When I did a search on this forum, I found a reply that said that using too many duplicate pages between websites (not within one website) could cause a penalty. That Google does this because of something called "Mirror Sites" (I don't know what that means).
How many are too many? If I use a couple I figure ok. What if I use 6 or 8?
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:24 am
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It's stated in Google's webmaster guidelines that it frowns upon duplicate content.
If your wanting to post articles on your site to add additional content, why not have a remark before or after the article talking about your thoughts about the article. That way the article won't be identical in the search engines eyes.
I wouldn't worry too much about this though, even with the same content your page's layout code would be completely different. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:06 pm
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| Quote: | | using too many duplicate pages between websites (not within one website) could cause a penalty. |
It may cause a penalty on that page and it may not. It depends on the power of your site (incoming links). If your site is more powerful then the original poster of the article, you can actually bump their site into the duplicate content filters.
| Quote: | | That Google does this because of something called "Mirror Sites" (I don't know what that means). |
Rupurt ran into this problem, probably mostly after Allan added a Case Study for their 2 successful sites. A mirror site is a carbon copy of an original website with a new domain name.
| Quote: | | ow many are too many? If I use a couple I figure ok. What if I use 6 or 8? |
Articles are a great way to flesh out a site with some good content. Remember, you aren't always trying to please the search engines, you have to keep in mind your visitors. Having several articles are fine, but having original work would be better. Original content has so much more value and can be redistributed on ArticleCity and others.
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:11 pm
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Good points. Also, think of news. The Associated Press publishes articles that are syndicated on thousands of news sites, all over the globe. Certainly all of these sites don't receive huge penalities.
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Bobby
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:42 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | Good points. Also, think of news. The Associated Press publishes articles that are syndicated on thousands of news sites, all over the globe. Certainly all of these sites don't receive huge penalities. |
I've thought of that same thing a number of times Robert.
I wonder if the duplicate content/mirror pages issue isn't similar to the crosslinking issue. Google is vague with instructions and then people write articles based on assumptions providing questionable advice.
I've often wondered - suppose someone wanted to harm a competitor's rankings with Google. The person could simply purchase one of those multi-domain hosting packages, copy the competitor's website and publish it into a number of different domains. The result would be a number of duplicate websites.
Would the original suffer?
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Bobby
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:48 pm
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Here's a related question:
Suppose I sell a product online and I offer an affiliate program. My sales are completed by credit card payment online for which affiliates receive a commission.
I also can take orders by telephone but affiliates won't receive a commission on those because of tracking difficulties.
So I decide to publish two versions of my site. The first version will be at my-domain.com and it will be utilized by affiliates - the telephone number will not be published on this version.
The second version will be published at mydomain.com (same name but without the hyphen) and it will be exactly the same site except the telephone number will appear on the order page.
Is there any conclusive information as to whether this would harm the potential ranking of either or both sites?
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Voasi
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:50 pm
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| Quote: | I've often wondered - suppose someone wanted to harm a competitor's rankings with Google. The person could simply purchase one of those multi-domain hosting packages, copy the competitor's website and publish it into a number of different domains. The result would be a number of duplicate websites.
Would the original suffer? |
Doesn't happen too often, but I've seen it. None of my clients thou  . I've seen several of these "mirror sites" fall because you can complain to their ISP or hosting provider. Also Google could completely ban their site for the mirror site, but Google doesn't ban sites as often as they use to.
| Quote: | | Is there any conclusive information as to whether this would harm the potential ranking of either or both sites? |
The site you don't want to rank in the search engine you would just enter the robots.txt file into it. That way, the search engine spiders wouldn't index it and display duplicate content between the 2 sites.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:03 am
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| Voasi wrote: | | ..., but Google doesn't ban sites as often as they use to. |
Is there somewhere those stats may be reviewed or is it based on antecdotal evidence?
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:06 am
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| Quote: | | Is there somewhere those stats may be reviewed or is it based on antecdotal evidence? |
I think it was GoogleGuy that said something. When Google makes an algo change for a specific problem (redirect issues, doorway pages, same color text as background, etc...) their site gets bumped so far down the SERPS that it appears to be banned, but it's not, just de-valued tremendously.
Google tries to keep a full index rather then throw people out of it. This has also been discussed on various SE forums as well.
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:51 am
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There have been a couple sites banned in the last year or so ... one was an SEO firm that did all the black hat stuff to the point Google just wasn't tolerating it anymore ... their client sites got hit hard also but not banned from what I've heard. Another site was removed having to do with Kazaa and trademark/copyright infringement ... don't remember the exact details, but I think the problem was with the domain name.
Google doesn't like to ban sites, they prefer to filter/penalize them ... you can recover from that and move on ... banning you have to start over, hopefully following the rules the next time
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:49 am
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| Voasi wrote: | | Google tries to keep a full index rather then throw people out of it. This has also been discussed on various SE forums as well. |
| Debs wrote: | | Google doesn't like to ban sites, they prefer to filter/penalize them ... you can recover from that and move on ... banning you have to start over, hopefully following the rules the next time |
But also, now there seems to be another competition unfolding - who has the largest index?
If you start banning sites, this isn't going to help is it? Just shove them down where no-one will find them. Perfect.
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Bobby
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Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:13 am
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I sell a product at Clickbank and have an affiliate program. My website basically has a one-page sales letter.
Via a Google search, I can locate just over 200 sites that have basically copied by sales letter on their site for affiliate sales purposes. It looks like the majority of these are in some sort of "mall" set-up where sales pages from many Clickbank sites have been accumulated onto individual sites for affiliate sales purposes.
In other words, this appears to happen to most Clickbank sales pages.
If duplicate content/sites end up not ranking well at Google, it seems all Clickbank sites are doomed - at least they are doomed from a Google ranking perspective.
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Bobby
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:32 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | Good points. Also, think of news. The Associated Press publishes articles that are syndicated on thousands of news sites, all over the globe. Certainly all of these sites don't receive huge penalities. |
Robert,
I used to think that but the more I look into it, I'm not so sure. When you search Google News, the articles tend to show up.
But when you do a regular Google Web search, things are a bit different.
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