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edburdo
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Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 1:38 pm
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Where your clicks come from does matter. It could quite possible be that the porn site linked to yours for its "under 18 click here" link. I think the law requires them to have some sort of disclaimer or something... dunno, I don't visit them.
But where the clicks come from does matter... if the visitor isn't already interested in seeing what you have to offer, chances are they will close the page before reading your content. You wanted targeted visitors... which is why most of the "buy visitors for cheap" deals don't work. Your visitors aren't targeted.
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Shawn Collins
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 4:51 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | No site that links into you can hurt you. |
I've actually heard that links into your site can hurt you from a highly regarded SEO guy.
It was in the context of whether or not it helps for an affiliate program to use something like Refer Detect from Kowabunga, which enables merchants to give direct links (with no aff ID) to affiliates, and then the referring domain is recognized and credited.
The suggestion was that if this technique is used, it should be limited to sites with a certain PR or higher, because if thousands of sites with low or no PR are linking to the site, it would diminish the impact of the big sites that were linking there.
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 7:25 pm
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I've actually heard that links into your site can hurt you from a highly regarded SEO guy.
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I really find that hard to believe, it just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying that someone didn't tell you that, but they might not have their facts straight. I get most of my material from Sean Burns. I'd love for him to comment on this, but he doesn't frequent here much more.
The fact is, if someone links into you, it's completely out of your control. I believe Google has said, or perhaps GoogleGuy, that this is not a concern.
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It was in the context of whether or not it helps for an affiliate program to use something like Refer Detect from Kowabunga, which enables merchants to give direct links (with no aff ID) to affiliates, and then the referring domain is recognized and credited.. |
I know what you're saying here. I've heard the same thing. But what I've heard is that Google won't allow the incoming links to boost PR, not penalize it. People frequently confuse "no effect" with "penalty."
It is more than possible that an incoming link to your site will have "no effect" if Google doesn't like that site, be it a bad neighborhood, etc. But I've never heard of the site getting knocked down in the rankings because of this. Now, link exchanges are an entirely different animal.
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Shawn Collins
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:59 am
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| robertb wrote: | | Now, link exchanges are an entirely different animal. |
Perhaps having too many affiliates linking directly might appear to be a bunch of link exchanges to Google?
The rationale was that most sites don't have large volumes of sites linking to them altruistically, so if there were too many sites, it could result in watering down the PR.
Anyhow, the suggestion was to just have the more prominant sites link directly, and have the rest use an old fashioned redirected affiliate link.
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Charlie
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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:34 pm
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For me it all comes down to why people are linking...
In Google's shoes, I think I might be keener on links without reward as a measure of "usefulness" for a site (regarding link popularity and PR).
It seems closely related to the arguments regarding close linking networks and also whether links are gathered over time or all arrive at once. Slightly different issues, maybe - but still clues as to whether the linking structure is "natural".
There are several ways that affiliate program software can theoretically gain SEO benefits for the merchant sites, but human review looks like a much bigger risk than automatic penalty, as far as I can tell (based on conversations).
Does anyone have evidence to the contrary?
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Shawn Collins
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:52 pm
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| robertb wrote: | | Shawn Collins wrote: |
I've actually heard that links into your site can hurt you from a highly regarded SEO guy.
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I really find that hard to believe, it just doesn't make sense. I'm not saying that someone didn't tell you that, but they might not have their facts straight. |
Interesting article today in ClickZ on this issue: http://www.clickz.com/experts/search/results/article.php/3497826
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:19 am
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Nice read.
This is talking about a different issue however as it only applies to affiliate merchants. I think it would be safe to say links to your site (not in huge quantities, just random people linking to you) cant hurt you as whats stopping competitors trying to take you down. |
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Shawn Collins
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| dcristo wrote: | | This is talking about a different issue however as it only applies to affiliate merchants. |
That's the part I was touching on in my original post in this thread - having many affiliates linking directly.
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 2:36 am
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| Shawn Collins wrote: | | dcristo wrote: | | This is talking about a different issue however as it only applies to affiliate merchants. |
That's the part I was touching on in my original post in this thread - having many affiliates linking directly. |
Oh sorry mate.
I thought we were just talking about a few possible bad neighbourhoods linking out to you. |
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