Phil Wiley, one of the world's foremost Affiliate Marketers (and one of your fellow Aussies), did the same thing on his Affiliate Forum. In fact, I think it may have been you whose negative posts he decided to remove. He is an Affiliate of ours, having researched our company and products carefully, and grew tired of the same few people with the same inaccurate posts.
Actually, in the spirit of accuracy, Phil removed the posts you are referring to because, according to a post by him, he was afraid of being sued. His words, not mine. Others can draw their own conclusions about this as I have my own.
I can appreciate the spirit of accuracy, so let's take it all the way.
If anyone has a question as to whether Phil Wiley thought our company might sue him, email PHIL and ASK him. Phil and I had a phone conversation about this issue way back when it happened, and it was a very pleasant one. It was not a request from us to remove those ridiculous posts at the time. It was a question to Phil as to whether he knew the posters, and to ask him to respond to them in his Forum in any way he liked. We know Phil is a believer in our products, and were hoping he would jump in and say something. Instead, he immediately volunteered to remove the posts altogether, because of the innacurracy and complete lack of credibility in those posts. Phil is a great marketer, an honest guy, and NEVER was any question of litigation brought up or implied, as I am sure he will tell anyone who wants to ask him.
People don't sue people over minor posts on Forums, especially when the owner of that Forum is half a world away in another country. The cost of even attempting such a thing would be ludicrous.
So, please don't paint something in a negative light and suggest that people should "draw conclusions". That is as irresponsible as the posts that started this whole childish sandbox fight, and all you're doing here is continuing it.
If you want the accurate facts, please get them first-hand right from the source. _________________ Chris Malta
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Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Texas, USA
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:26 am Post subject:
Quote:
You were wrong to call me and my company a scam in a public Forum. A responsible adult would be able to admit that without trying to wriggle out from under the issue.
Chris, it's quite possible after reading this person's posts that you may in fact be dealing with someone who isn't an adult. I am sure you are quite aggravated with this person, and the blood pressure is probably pretty high, but this almost seems like a "consider the source" type of issue.
None of this person's thoughts or responses have made any sense, and I seriously doubt that this person would or could genuinely do any damage to your business.
I, personally, am curious about dropshipping and it made me feel alot more comfortable about your company, and the industry you are in after reading your comments. So, great job addressing something that could have been quite messy.
Thank you for pointing out something that is a distinct probability. It may have been someone younger than I thought.
This kind of thing happens very rarely, but when it does, I feel I must respond. You're right, it does get extremely frustrating. I find myself wishing I could somehow pick the person up from wherever he is and sit him down in our offices for just one day, so that he could watch how very hard we all work at this business, and how extremely careful we are to always to the right and honest thing no matter what.
If that were possible, there is not a shred of doubt in my mind that he would come away with a complete reversal of his position.
As it is, though, I just have to repond as best I can, and stand on the record we've established over the past years.
Thanks again for posting, and please let us know if you have any questions that we may be able to help with. _________________ Chris Malta
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:18 am Post subject:
One other thing that can be learned about this situation is that no matter how hard you try, there will always be people who will be impossible to help. No matter how good your customer service is, or how good your product may be. That's one of the hardest things to deal with in a services industry.
And then, you throw in the fact that some of those people will only want to look at all the other people around them, or the products they tried to get to work. They will not ever want to analyze what they may have done wrong, and adjust accordingly to find success. And it may not even be what they did wrong, but it may just be being patient for awhile while you learn a new career, or industry. People just don't work that way in our world anymore, if it isn't working by week 3, it's fake or a scam.
I think that is one of the lessons of all the internet, or brick and mortar businesses being offered. Look at what you are doing that isn't successful and change your gameplan accordingly till you find success.
Anyways, that's how I wanna do things, and ya I've had my hard days like everybody... but I hope I'm moving towards, and building something that will pay off in the end. I, just as the others, must be patient for a bit... _________________ miltonh
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VERY well said! _________________ Chris Malta
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Going back to an earlier post, Jacqui, you seem to be a genius.
Dropshipping seems to be a pretty nice way to warm up to running a "real" store, but trying to sell dropshipped items on Ebay seems really, really hard unless you've found yourself one heck of a niche.
Congrats, Jacqui!! Maybe you can tell us a little more sometime without giving away your angle?
- blake _________________ - blake
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:51 am Post subject: WWBrands Directories
I thought it would be helpful to this discussion to post this email from one of my students who lives in Australia and bought the Dropship Directory:
>"I've made some progress. I called a few
> of the dropshippers and explained my situation (Aussie business
> selling to US), and all of them found no problem with that. As I
> mentioned, WWB says that only 30% of them will deal with me, but on
> the other hand a web entrepreneur from Canada that I have been
> corresponding with says he never had this problem. At the very least,
> I have confirmed that it's not too difficult to find dropshippers
> who'll deal with me."
The Worldwide Brands lists are the ONLY ones I recommend!
Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: good info but
Hi
I am new to this forum but have been researching the idea of dropshipping. I have read some of Chris's online information and also receive the news letter. I am new at this and am definetely in the learning mode. I have spent hours on the computer researching. I guess i should get to the point. I was in actually getting ready to purchase the dropship directory from worldwidebrands but thought I would investigate the situation because like it or not there seems to be more scams than there are legit on the internet. Anyway I had convinced myself that Chris is legit the only problem I have is I live in Canada and I would like to hear if anyone has had success with the list and suppliers. I would also like to ask Chris if he comes back to the forum if (without trying to take from his business) if he happens to know any Legit dropshipper directories or Dropshippers based in Canada as it would make more sense for me to use a Canadian company. Thanks in advance for any info.
Kevin Neil
Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject:
Part of what you need to answer, is do you plan on selling only in Canada, or do you plan on selling in the US?
Most companies who do business in the US will also do business in Canada do to the proximity, and the amount of business between the two countries. _________________ Eric D. Burdo They Made $6,513 a day With Clickbank Doing This...
I was considering purchasing your information but now I am rethinking it. I have read all the replies on this string. Cyclops did not call you a scam, he just posted his experiences using your product.
You go on some rant and blow things way out of proportion. This rant cause me to believe you have something to hide. He was just cautioning others with similar circumstances. Your response was uncalled for. You claim he was bad mouthing your company on other strings but you have no proof.
Why berate one small person when you are this huge company? Why are you so scared? Why are you making such a big deal if your product is so great? Your product should speak for it's self. What are you trying to hide? Why are you trying to direct everyones attention away from this one comment? You are making it sound like you are some wounded victim. Why are you so scared and what are you trying to hide?
At the risk of reactivating this string, which none of us needs to do, I'll reply to your Post, as I always reply to posts that concern me.
Cyclops made several references in this string and a prior one in which he insinuated that I was lying, scamming, disseminating false information in collusion with others, and that our very hard-working Customer Service people were not doing their jobs.
Simple question: if someone did that to you, would you sit still for it? There's an old saying, Chart; "Silence Gives Assent". In other words, if someone says something bad about you, and you DON'T reply, the general impression is that the person doing the talking is right.
He's not, and I won't ever sit still while someone maligns the incredible amount of hard work myself, my partners and my staff have put into our products.
Please think about this for a minute: we've served more than 80,000 customers over the past few years, and are currently serving more than 1,000 new customers per week. If we really were doing these things, or we really were "hiding" something, don't you think you'd see at least hundreds, if not thousands of negative comments about us on the Internet? Yet, you don't. You see thousands of POSITIVE recommendations for our company, and then you see people like Cyclops who pop up one at a time every few months and make baseless accusations. If nothing else, the law of averages proves him wrong.
Defending yourself against people who wrongly accuse you in a public place has nothing to do with "hiding" anything, Chart. In fact, it's exactly the opposite, and I will defend myself every time I'm wrongly attacked, just as anyone would.
I hope that helps to answer your question. _________________ Chris Malta
CEO. Worldwide Brands, Inc.
An eBay Certified Solution Provider
Host, The Entrepreneur Magazine EBiz Radio Show
Product Sourcing Editor, The eBay Radio Show
www.WorldwideBrands.com
I think anyone who has experience on internet forums knows that some people will personally attack others in harsher ways than in person. Being in that situation can get someone very heated, so Chris has every right to defend himself especially since his company and credibility rely on the internet.
But back to the original topic, I've been researching the use of drop-shipping for a while... It sounds good on paper but I'm still unsure if realistically it would be a worthwhile venture. Between the concept on paper and the tons of internet scams surrounding it, it's hard to make a decision. Would anyone here recommend using it?
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 1761 Location: Bangor, Maine
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject:
One of the ideas I have seen folks doing lately is combine affiliate techniques with their drop shipping.
Start up an affiliate site and write some quality content about the products you are selling... then funnel the traffic to an eBay store to handle the sales (or get your own merchant account and shopping cart and handle sales directly yourself). _________________ Eric D. Burdo They Made $6,513 a day With Clickbank Doing This...
Do you think that advertising to the spanish speaking community with a drop-shipping site is a good idea? I'm just starting to learn about drop-shiping and am interested on Chris' products, but wanted to bounce some ideas before commiting.
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