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osnoko
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:27 pm
Post subject: WYSIWYG website builders ?
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[b]"What are recommended WYSIWYG editors? what do you use and what is great about it?"
what are good free ones?
and what are good paid ones?
I am considering a new editor, and I don't really know html. What can people recommend?
Thanks.
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:37 pm
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WYSIWIG editors are DreamWeaver and FrontPage.
Many people use FrontPage and say it is very easy to use, however there are disadvantagous. The biggest being that Search Engine do not seem to like pages built by FrontPage.
I use DreamWeaver and it is remarkably easy to use and can be used with Flash and all the other neat things out there.
As for the Free ones, just do a search for "free wysiwig editors" (I just did and I found a few). While they are free, I think you will find out they aren't that good.
But try some out and see if they work for you.
However, if you are really serious I would go straight to DreamWeaver.
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Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:16 pm
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I've heard GoLive (Adobe's editor) is quite good and not as expensive as DW ... FP is cheapest and it's ok, you just need to be aware of proprietary features in it that will require you to be on a server with FP extensions installed.
James Martell recommends FP and his manual walks you through the process of using FP to build multiple affiliate sites that are easy to manage.
I've used FP and DW, FP was awesome because I had no clue what a WYSIWYG editor was when I bought it  now I prefer DW because I don't like the FP proprietary features or having to have FP extensions installed on the server to do some things. I still keep FP installed as it has a few things I do like and use once in a while.
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kilz
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:12 am
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Don't use wYSIWYG to create webpages. they sucks
I suggest you learn html first, they are simple, you can learn it quickly. and you can create html webpages easily by yourself |
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Debs
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 12:33 pm
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Kilz, that's a rather blanket statement ... some do for sure, but not all.
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 6:50 pm
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Hey Debs, how long did it take you to learn FP and all the design stuff you now know?
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Debs
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:32 pm
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I don't remember, it's been quite a while I started with Publisher, then went to FP, and am now using DW ... I wouldn't recommend Publisher for anything but fun type family pages, the code is horrible. I still don't know how to do everything DW offers, but then I don't need it or I would have learned it.
There are great tutorials on FP and DW available on the web so either is a good choice, so long as you keep in mind the proprietary features of FP. I am sure GoLive has tutorials etc. as well.
You might want to find those and skim through them and see what you think of each of the programs before you invest any money.
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Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:54 pm
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Hello Part-timer! What are you up to these days?
I had an upsetting experince with an HTML editor when I was young(ish) and I've never recovered. (Apparently it has changed it's ways a bit, but I'm still too scared to venture back..)
Seriously, Debs' sites might look pretty, but I'm sure she'd be the second person to admit she has a cunning plan...
They're a spider delicacy, too.
My point: unless you know what these tools are doing (and can correct them manually), be careful what you trust them with if you are building pages to attract SE traffic.
All the best,
Charlie.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:48 am
Post subject: Re: WYSIWYG website builders ?
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Hi Osnoko,
I've progressed in much the same way Deb's has here, using MS Publisher for my first personal AOL page, then getting into Frontpage and finally Dreamweaver 4 which I've been using for about three years now.
Frontpage was a nice way for me to get started since I didn't want to learn HTML from scratch, but at the time about four years ago, Frontpage turned out some pretty ugly HTML code and I was always having problems with the FP extensions that allow you to do things like make feedback forms and setup guest books.
Dreamweaver is definitely the best choice in my book though, as the code it produces isn't corrupted with any extra garbage and it's fairly easy to learn. The DW4 that I have came with a nice printed manual and there are always plenty of good websites and books available to teach you more.
If you really need something free to get started with though, take a look at the many programs listed on www.download.com http://www.download.com/HTML-Editors/3150-2048_4-0.html?tag=dir or if you'll need web hosting eventually, many webhosts offer some kind of html editing packages with their hosting plans.
Good luck!
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:31 am
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Front page 2000 is good option. but don't depend too much on them... best idea...
make the layout of your site in FP or DW. and then build it from there..
for understanding HTML and making sites you only need some tags to learn
These are important ones
<table> more important features of Table tag are border, width, height
<tr> table row(Border, width, height)
<td> table data(Border, width, height)
<a> anchor(hyperlink)
because these are the tags where things get messy... sepcially with nested tables.
I found FP does have problems while dealing with nested tables sepcially if you are creating from scratch so you need to know these tags religiously.
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:47 pm
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I am using FP 2003 and would like to know the things i need to be looking our for in terms of everything i hear about the dangers of FP. I still need to learn FP. Currently, I am using FP to edit my pages and then copy the code and put into Andy Williams Website builder. Though, I am wanting to learn FP for a product driven site I will shortly be building.
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Debs
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 9:53 pm
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If you are going to upload to a site with FP extensions installed you may just want to edit out some of the junk code in the <head></head> section that FP puts in.
If you're host doesn't offer FP extensions, and you will use something else to FTP your site online, then you shouldn't use the forms in FP, the dhtml (commonly for menu navigation), border features, or other proprietary features as they may not work correctly.
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:45 am
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I used Netscape Composer and found to be very good for basics. It's free to download and on cd for the price of postage.
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:00 am
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I learned HTML coding manually. Then I got a very basic HTML editor that took some of the grunt work out of it -- like you could highlight a text string and click a button to boldface it -- but it didn't do anything very complicated, like building tables.
I got my current job on the strength of my HTML coding knowledge plus my journalism background. Eventually, my company supplied me with one of the earlier versions of Dreamweaver. It was a revelation! To be able to merge or split table cells without having to figure out which <TD> or </TD> went with which cell was like magic.
I'm currently on Dreamweaver MX at work. If I could afford it for home, I would get it for here, too. Instead I purchased the Namo web editor for about 90 bucks. I'm pretty pleased with it, although it does have a couple of quirky behaviors I would change if could. What I like about both Dreamweaver MX and the current version of Namo is the tabbed interface (helpful when you have several different pages open that you need to jump between).
I would highly recommend that people learn something about HTML even if they're just using WYSIWYG to create pages. I spend most of my time in WYSIWYG but I find I always have to tweak something directly in the code to make it look/work right.
It has been years since I tried FrontPage but I remember hating it because of all the proprietary stuff it generated. Same thing with something called NetObjects that someone recommended and which I downloaded an evaluation of recently. I couldn't make heads or tails out of it! You're forced to work with its proprietary file names, and I couldn't even figure out how to make it open one of my previously created files with a simple .htm extension. To me that's pretty bad when an HTML editor can't open an HTML page! It's probably a great program for people used to working at several removes from the HTML itself, but my mind can't work that way. I'm sure I just didn't give it a chance ...
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