Joined: 22 Aug 2003 Posts: 1324 Location: Gainesville Florida USA
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:59 pm Post subject:
Timothy Warnock wrote:
That's all I'm saying here on a practical level - there's so much to be learned from this if we don't fight it on an instinct level.
Peter Stone wrote:
Now, because they work a dip stick sort of job, come home, watch TV... can't figure out why their lives aren't just peachy - waiting for life to happen to them or their parents to rescue them, they finally see what's been 'victimizing' them all along. Wiley marketers.
And this is what you want us to learn? Oh my...
Well, it's an honest expression of a certain philosophy, I can vote for the honesty part.
raveon wrote:
My information, feelings, impressions should be invaluable to John Reese. I'm taking the time to honestly let him know how I feel about his marketing message, I'm almost telling him how he can make the sale to me, and others who think like me, in the future.
So OK, we're all human and sellers don't like the tone of some of the feedback they are receiving. Fair enough, I can get that.
In the quote just above we see someone, who by the size of this discussion here and elsewhere, represents a market opportunity.
Here's a group of people who are engaged enough that they will come to forums and try to help us sell them.
They haven't come in to our shop and bought anything yet, but they are piling up outside and peering in the windows.
We could stay in our shop, arms folded across our chest, and hold our ground.
If we're focused on the bottom line, we have the option to set up some tables outside on the patio, bring out a few products and spread them around, and create a new market for ourselves. _________________ Free Forum And Ezine Hosting
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Sean I am an owner of your e-book (the best e-book I've purchased in the last 12 months) and I respect both your work and your opinion. I received your last newsletter and I am anxiously awaiting your review.
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But I'd like to ask you to answer one question if you wouldn't mind. If you received the course and you were shocked to find that you agreed with Markus and it fell far short of your expectations, would you honestly be so bold as to say exactly that?
Sure. I was one of the few people criticising Stephen Pierce's methods a year ago and I've gone against the wisdom of some "gurus" on stuff like Traffic Ezualizer.
However, I wouldn't do what Markus has done - and this is, in my opinion, an interesting point. Using a bad review of one persons products to sell someone else's is something that I would never do. I think it's tacky - very smart from a marketing perspective and it made me smile when I first saw it - but I wouldn't do it. However, you were happy with it - even though it was promoting another "guru's" products. Markus even recommended a product that gives people outlines of the hyped up sales letters that many people don't like. Different strokes ...
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I can't help but think that would be a very difficult decision for you to make...there is little upside and plenty of downside. If it would be an easy "no brainer" decision on your part then you are "a better man than I gunga din".
Not difficult at all - I'm not part of the club and I don't want to be a part of it. I could get out of the "internet marketing" niche tomorrow and still make a living online - I've only been in this niche for about 18 months and I was making a living before that.
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You would be disagreeing with some real heavyweights and obviously people you respect and admire. That's not an easy thing to do and requires not only honesty but courage. Sean I'm not questioning either of these traits in you but we are all human at the end of the day and feeding our families is a priority.
I don't have a family to feed
Having said that, it's unlikely that I won't like the product. I see lots of posts talking about all of the bad internet marketing products but I've never seen one (OK, I have seen one that wasn't very good). I'm a positive person and when I see a product, I don't look for reasons not to like it - I look for reasons to like it. In the case of John's product, the two free reports that he sent out before and after the launch are worth $1000 but unfortunately most people won't see it.
You've probably heard the cliche before about finding just one good idea in a product to make it worthwhile. John says it himself and some people probably think it's just a way to get people to make a purchase - but it's true. I had one good idea 18 months ago that I implemented, continued to work on and it will add $70,000 to my income in the next 12 months. I'm always looking for another "one good idea"
In my opinion, too many people are focused on the bad things - focus on the good stuff and your business will improve. That's why I don't worry about all of this marketing stuff that seems to annoy other people. I don't like a lot of it but I learn from it and implement what I'm comfortable with. I haven't always thought that way but I'm much happier now that I do.
As long is it's not misleading, no need to lose sleep over it.
Actually the internet started before 1990, in 1969, but it wasn't until 1990 that the HTTP language was instituted and actual websites were built. Prior to that the form of contact was the early version of the current message boards, newsgroups, etc. and all postings were strictly text.
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1969, work began on the ARPAnet, grandfather to the Internet...
Under ARPAnet several major innovations occurred: email (or electronic mail), the ability to send simple messages to another person across the network (1971); telnet, a remote connection service for controlling a computer (1972); and file transfer protocol (FTP), which allows information to be sent from one computer to another in bulk (1973)...
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Well I beleive when "the Internet began" is actually irrelevant. When was the first browser available that could even view a website is the real question?
I don't think any kind of commercial website could even exist until 1993 but more likely 94/95.
But I still think the 1.57 BILLION visitors in one day is the most amusing stat of all... Every time I say or write this a smile comes to my face and I just shake my head.
Thanks Sean, my apologies to both John Reese and Jeff Mulligan. Here is an exerpt from Jeff Mulligans' news release at PRnewswire.
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Over 1.56 billion people have clicked through John's niche sites on topics as diverse as: babies, marketing, bird baths, video games, finance, software, eBay, weddings, golf and consumer electronics.
In response to the person who questioned whether John Reese actually did business before the first www browser was invented, JR states on his website that his first online ventures were through bulletin board systems and then services like Compuserve. I remember fiddling around with those at that time as well... Actually, wasn't Mindspring one of the first companies to do this as well (now they are Earthlink)? All this before the first browser was even evented! Guest, I think you are betraying your youth...
I'm not defending JR here, still thinking about whether to purchase his package. I probably will. If it doesn't work for me, I'll ask for my money back like I've done many other times with product purchases that, after evaluating, decided wasn't for me.
I checked out that review. No offense intended but that seemed like a thinly veiled attempt to just capitalize on some affiliate sales. The review said that it would strip away the hoopla but instead just talks about how the product could be squeezed onto 1 CD and how many books, dvds, etc. it came with... big deal. Tell me something useful...
Since 1990, I've conceived, developed, and made money from hundreds of different websites on the Internet.
Debs wrote:
Actually the internet started before 1990, in 1969, but it wasn't until 1990 that the HTTP language was instituted and actual websites were built.
I realise there are many marketers interested in makeing some good money, but hey, Mr Reeves talks about commercial websites, not about the US defense network or the NSF network.
Well actually until 1993 - when there were a total number of about 100 websites from which, of course, at least one belongs to Mr Reese - NSF regulated the www, which didn't actually allow commercial use of the Internet.
...Vice President (then Senator) Al Gore likes to take credit for the 'invention' of the Internet, he was in fact one of the co-authors of the bill that opened the Internet for commercialized use. Thanks to President Gore you not only have E-mail and web sites, you also have SPAM, Pop-Up ads and porn sites. By May of 1993, the National Science Foundation had written and released a solicitation to accommodate and promote the commercialization/privatization of the Internet (NSF93-52).
( http://www.inetdaemon.com/tutorials/internet/history.html )
Anyway until 1993 the Internet was only used in universities and research labs. Only late in 1993 commercial websites could have legaly appeared.
As luck has it I didn't receive all the HYPE email. I've been following John for the past 18 months. Prior to his product launch I've held a lot of respect for him and learned many little things.
I'm looking for a little increase here and a little increase there. The focus seems to be on the sales page and the "tactics". What about the product?
I've picked up many tips from listening to what John has to say. Personally I don't care if 1,000,000 is net or gross. All I care about is one thing. If I can learn something that will improve my business.
As long as I get a ROI that's what is important to me. The problem is most of these products come from the simple fact is WE MUST ACT. John's course isn't your worth a penny if it sits on a shelf or you never act on the info in it.
Sort of like a winnering lottery ticket --- it's worthless unless cashed.
Hype, no hype... have you given yourself a pay raise today? what have you tested? What do you know today that you didn't know yesterday about your sales, etc? That's not hype that's John Reese - fire away!!!! _________________ Gary
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