so who is David Burnham? and what does he have to do with SiteSell besides obviously being a bad affilliate? _________________ Learn how to turn keyphrases into quality, well-targeted articles your visitors and SE's will love with Gary Antosh's new ebook "Web Content Made Easy!"
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:35 pm Post subject:
Hey Batman, I?m still trying to work out why I should be ?shocked? by your revelations.
Appears that some guy has registered a domain name and is providing some basic health content from which to hang affiliate links to SiteSell products. Nothing shocking about that.
Or is it the fact that SiteSell is the Registration Service Provider?
If I do a WHOIS search on my SBI site, it also shows SiteSell as the Registration Service Provider. One would assume they are RSPs because of the sites they register for SBI customers. Are you maybe suggesting that the whole SBI thing was created simply to make money from registering domains?
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:21 pm Post subject: BatMan Clarifies the Obvious...
#1_ If you ever saw Batman would you ask him to Halt and prove he is not Catwoman?
#2_ This is not the *only* web site that deals with Fitness and promotes the very *same* company...
It uses the very same tactics Porn sites use; false content and replica results.
#3_ Even an Amateurish affiliate would clarify the underlying ploy. How would you feel as a customer searching for these obviously promoted keywords? How would you feel par example, searching for *** stances and being adviced to make a donation to your local search?
Now, that's "misleading content" Harith.
#4_ No affiliate link here... someone is desperately trying to boost link popularity
#5_ The grammar errors and Keyword Repetition are developed perceptibly.
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Whoever guest is he's right there are gurus out there spamming the search engines I to have noticed this very well known guru spamming the search engines using the tool keyword site builder. And I bet your wondering who this might be? Well its a guy who says KSB is wide open to abuse and also says if your gonna use the tool to use the built in wysiwyg editor to make your pages unique and the guy I'm talking about is PHIL WILEY which in this case did not act upon what he says about KSB, If theres anybody abusing this tool to the max its phil. Heres one of the sites he's built with it where he abuses this tool
http://www.1st-online-betting.com
I have found over 60 sites Phil Wiley has made with KSB where he abuses this tool
I don't think Phil's a bad guy his book mini site profits was great and he knows what he's doing but this time I think he took it a bit to far
Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:45 pm Post subject: Honest people
"Honest people like Spamhater"--now that is funny.
As for the idiot who is promoting SBI with that "bodybuilding/health site," he obviously won't make one sale. Nobody is going to buy SBI if they click on a link about "Bodybuilding" but land at a site about building an ecommerce site.
The bigger idiot, however, is the person who thinks this spam page is a poor reflection of SBI and not the individual who is actually doing it. Hey, I get spam every day, like all of you, asking me to buy viagra. But do I blame Pfizer pharmaceuticals for this? No. I blame the moron who is sending the spam.
The problem of spamming the search engines is something that anyone with 2 brain cells could have predicted. It's similar to the famous tragedy of the commons, in which a free resource is exploited because the costs can be spread to everyone.
Thankfully, however, search engines have a strong incentive to prevent this sort of spam. Are they perfect? Of course not. But I have every faith that they will continue to develop methods to reduce and eliminate this kind of garbage. Aferall, their one and only product is providing relevant search results for visitors.
SBI is a top notch product, by a top notch company. One of the good things about not working for SBI is I don't have to be diplomatic and, therefore, can freely label posts like the one started by "Guest" of this thread downright stupid.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 2:29 am Post subject: Guilty as charged, but...
Ray
first up I want to say that I'm not denying I've built some sites with Keyword Site Builder, but I just want to clarify a couple of things about your post.
>I have found over 60 sites Phil Wiley has made with KSB where he >abuses this tool
I think the actual number is 7. The other KSB sites must have been built by others. I'm no longer building sites with it, (and I'm not promoting it further because of the controversy) but I still stand by saying it's a very good site building tool as long as you only use the created pages as templates and replace them with your own keyword rich text.
What KSB does is put together sites that rank very high in Google because of their structure/linking strategy, and keyword density.
My idea was to rewrite all the sites I created, but because of the few months it takes for a site to do well in Google I submited them first so they could be getting ranked as I rewrote them.
However, I'm actually guilty of not finding time to rewrite the pages.
But, at the risk of provoking argument, there is another way to look at these sites: they're providing the searcher with exactly what they're looking for by using the keyword phrases searched for. So all they're doing is directing people straight to the relevant site for their search phrase. Looking at the betting site, it doesn't give any misleading content. It's just (not very good quality) articles on betting, complete with affiliate links.
I know of one very big name marketer - far far better known than I am - who has over 48,000 pages leading to his site, and the pages are all filled with random words and garbage with his site links in the middle. Now that's spamming the search engines.
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2003 3:46 am Post subject: Re: Guilty as charged, but...
philwiley wrote:
But, at the risk of provoking argument, there is another way to look at these sites: they're providing the searcher with exactly what they're looking for by using the keyword phrases searched for. So all they're doing is directing people straight to the relevant site for their search phrase.
I disagree Phil that they are giving the searcher what they are looking for ... is the surfer looking to buy? or do they want relevant information about the product to make a buying decision? On several other forums I visit and post regularly there have been a lot of complaints about garbage affiliate sites and retail sites showing top in search results. They want information to help make an informed decision. Now I realize there are a lot of surfers looking to buy ... after all, internet sales are growing at a dramatic pace ... I have no problem with relevant retail sites, and good affiliate information sites showing up in the top results, then the surfer can choose the direction they wish to take.
Unfortunately, with junk sites, like those produced by KSB, the relevant sites are being pushed down. Personally, I think it is just a matter of time before KSB sites, and those like them, will be algorythmically removed from decent SE results.
Now, I will say something in Phil's defense. I have been a subscriber of Phil's for awhile now ... and I received his newsletter on KSB, and his endorsement of it. He categorically stated that you needed to provide decent content, you ran a risk of spamming the SE's if you didn't do the work to provide decent content, and even offered a free ebook he wrote on how to do just that with KSB.
I followed Phil's advice and checked out KSB, and I mean thoroughly! I wrote Phil an extensive email regarding the problems I felt KSB had, and told him I felt it was a product beneath his reputation.
Personally, for what KSB offers, and the price, it just isn't worth it when compared to SBI. Yes, KSB is cheaper, but then why pay a lot when you run such a risk of being caught?
Just MNSHO
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It's really funny. People are coming down on KSB because it designs sites the way there are supposed to be designed (minus quality content) in order to rank highly. Too, too funny.
Oh, just to add: one of Phil's KSB sites pulled in $1200, so, it must have been what SOMEONE was looking for.
Now whats really funny is, if I am not mistaken, SBI preaches the same principles that KSB employs. Talk about hypocrisy!
The thing to remember people is this is one big world, and the WWW is for everyone to use. Because of this there are gonna be all kinds of opinions and ways of doing things, some you like, some you don't like. That doesn't make your way the right way, or my way the right way; it's just the way it is! If you spend more time doing things your way and less time worrying about other's ways, you will be much better off and more successful in the long run.
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