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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:57 pm
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Here is a point to keep in mind, in a short story.
Suppose I want to go buy a three headed dragon and there is only one store that sells this particular kind. I will buy it. Since I liked the first dragon so much, and just trained him to breathe fire ( A really Cool Trick!), I want to go buy another one.
So I go back to the store and find out that the same three headed dragon cost $500 more than when I bought the first one five months ago. What do I do? If I really WANT the dragon, I will buy it.
The Moral of the story:
Google has it's USP(Unique Selling Proposition). You can not go to another "store" to run money making ads that are published the way Google does it now.
So a BUSINESS decision has to be made:
Do I stop running the ads and try to put up equally profitable affiliate links?
or
Do I keep the Google ads running and take the "pay cut" since I will still be making money anyway?
The Google as we once knew it will be dead when the company goes public. As someone put it in an earlier response, phrophet changes to profit.
Another questions to ponder:
What would you do if Google dropped AdSense altogether?
Hmmm... I'm curious to see the respones 
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:03 pm
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| jeeks wrote: | | Do I keep the Google ads running and take the "pay cut" since I will still be making money anyway? |
The efficiency of Adsense and any other commercial links on my site is under constant evaluation. I definitely don't take links down just because they used to perform better.
| Quote: | | The Google as we once knew it will be dead when the company goes public. |
Let's hope the new owners are wise enough not to fix something that ain't broken.
| Quote: | | What would you do if Google dropped AdSense altogether? |
One thing I've learned about internet commerce is that nothing ever stays the same. The only way to handle it is to keep looking forward for new opportunities.
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Bobby
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:52 pm
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| Frank Nordberg wrote: | | Let's hope the new owners are wise enough not to fix something that ain't broken. |
In my humble opinion, I don't think that's anything to worry about. The way the news media reports on business can easily give one a distorted outlook. The new owners will be shareholders and shareholders have an interest in the company continuing to grow and thrive.
Besides, even if we knew for a fact that Google was going to change drastically tomorrow, there is nothing we can do to stop it. Which leads me to my next comment.....
| Quote: | | One thing I've learned about internet commerce is that nothing ever stays the same. The only way to handle it is to keep looking forward for new opportunities. |
I agree 100% Frank. Long before AdSense came along, people like Allan Gardyne were advising webmasters to build pages with good solid, useful content. Those who followed that advice were ready to profit when the AdSense opportunity came along. Those who keep following that advice will be ready to profit when the next opportunity comes along.
Years after Henry Ford started making automobiles in the U.S., people
were saying the automobile would never replace the horse & buggy. AdSense is only a year old.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:35 am
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why do people always complain?
If adsense wasint here, you wouldnt be getting the extra income anyway.
I hardly think they are manipulating the stats either... |
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:13 pm
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If you've done any research on Google's IPO, you would know that Page and Brin are doing everything in their power to avoid outside influence from shareholders.
They stated that the quaterly earnings will not have a large weight on their actions. The most interesting part is the shares, there will be two types of shares issued. I don't know the name of them off the top of my head, but it's something like each of Page's and Brin's shares allows them to cast 10 votes, while each traditional share to the public only casts 1 vote.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:59 pm
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My adsense
[has decreased significantly --- Edited - Moderator]
with the same amount of traffiic.
[Learn the Adsense rules!!!!] |
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:08 pm
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[quote="Bobby"] | Peter wrote: | | 1. My average revenue per click has steadily dropped over the past few weeks so that now it is about 1/6 of what it was. For example ( these are example numbers only - not my numbers) if the average income per click was $.60 it is now $.10. |
| Bobby wrote: | | manuel wrote: |
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I think google is paying us less percentage per click and keeping rest. My friends in AdWords say they are still paying top dollar per click. |
Keep in mind that advertisers' bidding practices can affect average revenue per click.
A couple of advertisers for a keyword I target apparently got into a bidding war a while back.
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My average revenue per click shot up during that period.
They have since lowered their bids back in line with other advertisers and my average revenue per click has returned to "normal" as a result.
In other words, if you really want to do a thorough analysis of average revenue per click, you'll need to keep a regular check on what advertisers are bidding for the particular keywords.
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:12 pm
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| Peter wrote: | 1. My average revenue per click has steadily dropped over the past few weeks so that now it is about 1/6 of what it was. For example ( these are example numbers only - not my numbers) if the average income per click was $.60 it is now $.10. 
My theme is tightly focused on keywords that are popular and well paying KW not some esoteric niche that no-one is interested in.
2. Google consistently under-reports my Adsense impressions. On a typical day I might get 500 page views. Since the Google ads are on every page of my site then Google should report about 500 ad impressions. But instead Google AdSense reports show maybe 100 to 200 impressions.
This is not just one day but consistently every day they report only 20% to 50% of my true ad impressions. This makes me wonder if they are also under-reporting the income.
I am ready to drop Adsense from my site.
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| Peter wrote: | Where have all my AdSense impressions gone? Test Results.
I am posting these test results for anyone interested. The problem is that Google Adsense ads are not showing on all the page views that they should.
Reasons per Google:
? Other spiders, robots, crawlers from other search engines
? Browsers that don't have JavaScript enabled or don't support JavaScript
? Browsers that don't support the <iframe> tag
? Programs that people may have written to grab website content
Other probable reasons:
The ads are being blocked by the overeager firewalls, anti-virus, and adblocking software people have on their computers.
Test Results
Page views by free visitors from various sources:
On 30% of my page views the Google ads never displayed for my visitor.
Each visitor looked at 3 pages.
30% loss stinks but I don?t see what can be done about it. Now look what happened when I bought some clicks for a penny each at a PPC SE, Brainfox. There was a small amount of free visitors mixed in here (maybe 1 in 20) because I couldn?t separate them out.
Page views by ?visitors? from Brainfox:
On 70% of my page views the Google ads never displayed for my visitor.
Each ?visitor? looked at 1.3 page.
It?s clear to me that most of the ?visitors? from Brainfox are not real people.
Either Brainfox is deliberately defrauding me with fraudulent clicks that register a visitor and a single page view while not triggering Javascript.
OR
The ppc Search Engines are overrun with outside automated software rooting through the SE listings looking for whatever and generating false visitors along the way.
My host is SBI and their visitor count very accurately matches the number of visitors that I purchased. I trust SBI stats.
Side note: This might also explain why the 5,000+ ?visitors? I sent to SBI from Brainfox had virtually no repeat visits and zero sales. It was just a test and I did not really expect much from it but now I realize that 9 out of 10 were probably NOT EVEN REAL PEOPLE!
So now I have to ask myself, are all ppc SE going to be like this? That would certainly be disappointing. I was hoping to make some use of them. |
| Quote: | | Brianfox is all fraud I had clicks from all over the world none from the US for American Debt Consolidation |
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Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:23 pm
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I had a jump, on average, of a few more cents per click since March, but it has only dropped slighly since then. It is still above the previous amount in March.
I'd rather concentrate on things I can control, such as content and link partners. The easiest way to make more money through Google is to get more traffic!
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:10 am
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Please do not report actual Adsense statistics on this Message Board.
In future, I will delete the whole message. You should be aware of their rules by now.
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:08 pm
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| administrator wrote: | Please do not report actual Adsense statistics on this Message Board.
In future, I will delete the whole message. You should be aware of their rules by now.
Wally Morgan - Moderator |
Wally,
My apologies, I certainly didn't mean to violate your rules. Can you provide a link to those rules for my future reference?
It looks like you removed a statement of mine in this thread where I mentioned the dollar amount people were bidding for a keyword term - I didn't reveal the term.
I realize you don't want people reporting on their personal income stats, but I didn't realize a statement like I made was against the rules.
In Allan's latest newsletter, he basically does the same thing I did - he mentions an amount people are bidding on a term - | Quote: | ... Four people were bidding more than $x per click for that phrase.
That was good enough for me. I didn't look further. I'd found my
phrase. Anything over xx cents would have satisfied me... |
( I replaced the actual dollar amounts Allan listed with x's for the purposes of this post. )
Would Allan's statement have been allowed on the board?
I would appreciate your clarifying this for my benefit and I'm sure for the benefit of others as well.
Thanks.
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:22 pm
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I'm not sure what actual data you posted, but it's Google's rules, not AssociatePrograms.com to post earning figures, dollar amounts, etc.
I believe Google did contact Allan in the past regarding that they were monitoring discussions here. If I was Allan, I would certainly be extra cautious so that Google doesn't penalize my income by disabling Adsense.
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