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Sandro04
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:19 pm
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Hello to everybody, I have a content website (several hundreds pages), so I would like try AdSense. The questions:
1- I've got listed my site (just the pages without any affiliate links) in a few directories (Zeal, Looksmart) in the section 'no-commercial sites' ; the presence of AdSense adv in these pages will my site make removed from this directory section and moved in 'commercial' (paid) section? (ususally affiliate links are not allowed there)
2- I would like place AdSense code in a single html file included in all site pages (i.e. with 'iframe' tecnicque), so I should not modify any page but just the 'iframe page', but the point is: Google technology will serve adv on the pages on basis of keywords read in the 'iframe' htm file (in this case only one kind of advertiser for all pages) or keyword and content of the pages including 'iframe html file' (in this case OK, any page display different content and so different advertiser)
It's important for me, because that save me a lot of work.
Any advice will be welcome
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:12 pm
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I don't know about the iframe method... but I do know that using PHP or SHTML to include the adsense page will work fine.
I think the IFRAME method would work if the page is loaded BEFORE google checks the page to see what to display.
As far as the affiliate links, I don't think AdSense classifies, so it's not considered a business, so you should be ok.
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:34 pm
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Google doesn't permit the placement of the code in an IFrame ... you can however use SSI or other include methods to set your code across your site.
As far as the "no commercial" directories ... you are fine so long as you got in the directory w/o ads, you can now place the ads without problem.
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Sandro04
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:05 pm
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Thanks Eric,
I told 'iframe' method, but I can use PHP too (I think you mean the function <? include file.php ?> ), important is that is working.
Coming to my Google AdSense application, I have a content website (several hundreds pages), launched 2 months ago with the following figures: average 100 unique visitors per day (5-6 pages viewed per visit), should I wait to increase my traffic before to apply? How is the average of commission earned through AdSense on viewed pages basis (I know it difficult to answer because it depend from so many variables, but if someone could try to tell me a approximate average...or telling a few examples).
My experience with affiliate programs up to now has been frustrating, so I would like know from experienced people if can hope in better time with AdSense, even with such poor traffic (but I plan to increase it in the future ofcourse)
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Sandro04
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:14 pm
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Thanks Debs for your reply,
but I didn't catch the following your sentence '....you are fine so long as you got in the directory w/o ads....', if you can use other words to explain me (please, be patient I am Italian, I don't know so good your language). Meantime you can have a look to my Eric reply above.
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:30 pm
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First off, Googles agreement prevents us from discussing any real figures or click ratios.
Lets just say that mine are poor... but I only get about 120 unique visitors a day scattered over about 3 websites, and they have low costs on the ads. But many people here are making more than their affiliate income, so the potential is there.
I would go ahead and apply. I got accepted with a 10 page site that was getting 5 uniques a day. Fluke? I dunno... but I know have AdSense to put on my sites.
If you get rejected, just fix up your site, then reapply. There is a nice article here somewhere on what to do when you reapply.
Oh and yes... I do use the PHP include method. You can see it on the sites linked below.
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:05 pm
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Eric is right, apply ... just be sure and read the Terms of Service and FAQ, etc. (links are on the application screens) as you don't want to violate them.
If you are unsure about any of the requirements, feel free to browse the Adsense forum section as it has some great information on Adsense.
You don't get paid for Page Views ... you get paid for actual clicks on the ads in the Adsense code. You will be paid a percentage of the revenue Google collects from advertisers ... no, we aren't allowed to discuss the percentage but it's a decent percentage and worth it 
If the keyphrases Google reads from your pages are high cost advertising keyphrases, then you will obviously make more money than if they are low cost advertising keyphrases.
Don't try to "target" specific keyphrases that don't relate to your site content, it won't work since the Google Mediabot (the Adsense spider) will read your pages to determine relevant ads to show.
What I meant by ... "you are fine" is that once your site is in a non-commerical section of a directory, you don't have to stay non-commercial, you can ad the advertising. It's a common practice.
Hope this helps,
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:29 pm
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Sandro,
just go ahead and apply;
I had less traffic than you when I was approved; have doubled and more since that, and still rising;
Adsense actually gives you quite an interesting income; i guess, for my part, that it is due to highly sought after keywords in a very competitive industry, and therefore a high click-price.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:23 pm
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Sandra,
PHP or SSI would definitely be the way to go with a new site, but there may be a problem to consider in your case...
If your pages are .html you will have to either change your filenames to .php or .shtml and lose all incoming links and SE rankings, or tell your server to treat .html files as .php or .shtml.
This will have avery slight effect on server perormance, but is easily done by one line in the .htaccess file of the root directory. Ask your web host for details.
Another option would be to use a 301 redirect to map all .html files to their new .php equivalent. This would get around the problems with incoming links and should preserve PR.
Moving client side, an alternative option might be to include a javascript wrapper around the Adsense code...
In other words, put your Adsense code in a file on your server and then use javascript to include it as syndicated content. This way, you would achieve the benefit of only having to change the code once to make changes to all pages, but wouldn't have the problems associated with new file names mentioned previously.
Hope this helps,
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:32 pm
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I would have to ask, Charlie, if a javascript wrapper is going to allow Mediabot to access the actual pages to target content?
This would be a big concern when it comes to relevant ads and I don't know enough about bots to say for sure ... but if they don't "execute" js, Google won't know the topic.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:30 pm
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| Debs wrote: | | I would have to ask, Charlie, if a javascript wrapper is going to allow Mediabot to access the actual pages to target content? |
I meant just for the Adsense code, not the whole page, but anyway you've made me think...
Just use an external file for the javascript Adsense code. Hopefully this is within the rules.
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Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:24 pm
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Adsense will only crawl the page the code is on ... if it is in a wrapper ... I'm thinking they will only crawl the wrapper, not the content page ... and that's if they will crawl it at all.
I'm thinking a wrapper like a frame, but not a frame ... if the code is in file X and the page is file Z Adsense won't be able to access Z, only X ... does that make sense?
One thing I do know is Google says to be sure and put the code within the page itself, and when it comes to framed sites, to put it in the proper frame so the content can be crawled.
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:28 am
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Using SHTML or PHP means that the file is included BEFORE it is displayed... so Google's MediaBot will properly index it.
I don't think the JavaScript method would work, since JavaScript is generally executed after the page is loaded.
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Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:40 am
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I agree with Eric, I think the safer way to go is SSI or PHP includes as opposed to javascript.
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