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Debs
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:10 pm
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I don't mind one popup, I do hate multiple and/or repetitive ones. Unfortunately, too many people don't restrict how often the same one appears. I noticed quite a few people use the landing page on my site as their point of reference. When traversing across various pages, they click back to their starting page to move on to others. Having popups that aren't limited to "once per visit" would irritate these visitors no end.
I don't consider separate windows that open on click to be a popup. To me a popup is one that just does  I know that may not be the standard definition but I bet its a lot closer to what internet users think popups are.
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Charlie
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 2:55 pm
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| Debs wrote: | | I don't mind one popup, I do hate multiple and/or repetitive ones. |
So do I.
| Quote: | | Unfortunately, too many people don't restrict how often the same one appears. |
Some don't - but I can only think of one site I visit regualrly. The problem for me is surfing behaviour, as much as pop ups.
But back with how pop ups are used...
Take the comparison with cars. Would you barricade the end of your street because some of the cars coming along might not be driven as responibly as you'd like?
Even the police in most countries try and educate or frighten the bad drivers rather than ban the car.
| Quote: | | I noticed quite a few people use the landing page on my site as their point of reference. When traversing across various pages, they click back to their starting page to move on to others. Having popups that aren't limited to "once per visit" would irritate these visitors no end. |
Yes indeed, cookie controls spring to mind...
But then again, those people who disabled cookies (after reading the security horror stories) would probably be the ones most vehemently claiming that you were irresponible even though they stopped your site working properly.
[I have ActiveX set to prompt, but when I decline I don't complain the site doesn't look snazzy enough. I just read or click away.]
| Quote: | | I don't consider separate windows that open on click to be a popup. To me a popup is one that just does I know that may not be the standard definition but I bet its a lot closer to what internet users think popups are. |
I think many people will not have a clear differentiation between pop up and new window. The defenition they will have will most likely be the one given to them by the pop up blocker software they have installed - and many won't know or care much - until the site doesn't work because the pop up blocker suppresses all new windows by default.
I am at least as unhappy with pop up blockers as pop ups themselves, but you know me.
Cheers,
Charlie.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:35 pm
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| onlineleben wrote: | | Debs wrote: | | I also added some tags that prevent Microsoft smarttag parsing |
Debs, is that something easily to implement and could you share how you did that? Probably would help a lot of us out here.
| Debs wrote: | It's a simple one line tag you add to your <head> section, I also added a one liner for the image toolbar:
<meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no">
<meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE">
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Debs,
I have to revive this topic a little. I implemented the meta tags you suggestd, but what I still want to know is how many users visiting my sitees really have parasites on their systems. Is there a way to find out via your logfiles?
Any special user-agent names that identify parasite programs?
Or do I just have to hope that my income increases now that the above mentioned meta tags are in?
Any advice is very much appreciated.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:44 pm
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Ben, the test I ran was using a file from http://celtic-one-design.com/amazon_associate_scripts.htm
I had it redirect to my spyware page if they were infected. So it was easy to count the number of infected visitors using Visitorville in real time. If you set up a special page to redirect them to, and don't allow the page to be indexed, then you can see the page visits in regular stats and determine percentage of infection from that.
I recommend you set the landing page to NOINDEX, so you can accurately count the redirects. I set up the script from doxdesk.com on my landing page (spyware-infection.html) to actually let them know what they were infected with, and to help them remove the infection.
So, in summary ...
Celtic's "Detector" script on all pages (external javascript in the head section)
Doxdesk "Parasite" script in the redirect landing page head section (again, external javascript in the head section works well).
Debs
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:11 pm
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I will check out the script an dfollow your instructions.
Thanks again and have a nice day ( do you ever sleep?)
Btw, onlineleben means "living online". Nothing to to with Ben. but sounds nice.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:18 pm
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Ooops! Sorry I made an error in my post I just found ...
| Quote: | | Doxdesk "Parasite" script in the redirect landing page head section (again, external javascript in the head section works well). |
The "Parasite" script goes into the page itself, in the html where you want the warning to appear, NOT in the <head> section. My apologies for the confusion. External javascript is still fine however!
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:09 pm
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| Debs wrote: | | I also added some tags that prevent Microsoft smarttag parsing. |
Does anybody know if Microsoft's grandfather of all sleazeware is still actually around?
I use the SmartTag prevention code on all my pages out of old habit. Don't know if it actually serves a purpose anymore.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2004 3:21 pm
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Microsoft's IE is such a hotbed of vulnerability for bugs and plugins, I wouldn't chance it. While "officially" it is disabled, a secondary program like spyware, could potentially turn it on.
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