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Phil CA
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 12:02 am
Post subject: Have you ever read Google's terms of service?
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Hi all,
Have you ever read Google's terms of service? 
Personal Use Only?
The Google Services are made available for your personal, non-commercial use only.
Don't we, and many other businesses use their search results and alerts for research to build web sites and for all kinds of other commercial purposes? 
http://www.google.com/terms_of_service.html
I understand all the copywrite laws etc. But do they apply on search results?
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:00 am
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Just to add to this subject.
From Google's site...
Note: If your estimated number of queries is less than 10,000 per day, you may want to look at our Free and Silver/Gold programs.
(The free gives you very few options to use.)
I've also found lots of sites that link Google's search Results to show where they are in the listings to sell whatever. Including SBI showing your listings through their software. 
Lots of other ways it's being used.
So, am I just not understanding this or reading it the wrong way. 
A good topic for debate.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:51 am
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I know you can sign up for their API tool. It gives you a unique account in which you can query 1,000 times per day. I signed up because a site I visited required I put in my own API number to do a query with their tool.
It was simple to get, so I imagine a lot of programs that query Google must have something like this API tool integrated, but maybe on a larger scale.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:34 am
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Hi Debs,
The API service has the same terms. No commercial use allowed.
http://www.google.com/apis/
So, are my above concerns correct and most people and businesses use it for all kinds of research and just don't realize your not allowed to.
Do you think this is something that Google would really check and track? 
I never realized this until I started using their alerts through Google News (beta)
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 10:32 am
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I think it would depend on the Google's definition of "commercial" vs. "personal"
I use Google personally for personal and business matters, but it's still personal use, not "commercial" in that I don't "sell" Google results?
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:19 pm
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Interesting topic. I remember a somewhat related issue concerning Ebay and how other websites used information from Ebay a couple years back. Ebay is similar to Google in that it holds an overwhelming majority of the online auction business (Google has a similar stranglehold on the online search business). Websites such as Auctionwatch were providing a platform where people could search multiple auction sites, including Ebay. This threatened Ebay because people could receive a better service on Auctionwatch, and would spend less time at Ebay and maybe even buy from other auction sites as a result, so Ebay sued. I don't recall all the details, but Ebay won, and that destroyed a whole genre of websites. It's only loosly related to the topic of this tread, but it does provide a good example of how far people now should go with using Google's results, and Google API.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:23 pm
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Debs,
Good points. Maybe SBI and some others have been approved to use their search results but I'm sure that there are many others that just use their search results for whatever reasons.
Also, it's interesting how some use Google in their domain names and just say that they are not affiliated in any way with Google. As we know Microsoft and many other companies have a real problem with that.
Maybe, this thread will come up in a Google search or some others here will give their thoughts and opinions on it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:48 pm
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| Quote: | | Also, it's interesting how some use Google in their domain names and just say that they are not affiliated in any way with Google. As we know Microsoft and many other companies have a real problem with that. |
That's something I've seen a lot and wondered why Google hasn't done anything about it, or if they have, why we haven't heard about it!
I can only guess that Google is flattered and figures the domain emulators are providing exposure for the Google SE.
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Maybe, they have just decided to follow the marketing models of Ken Evoy and the SiteSell's etc. by Helping and Teaching others to succeed,  VS companies like Microsoft and others who are focused on I own the rights to everything.
Talking about all the Google domain names out there etc. Do you also notice all the Sitesell and SBI domains along with all their copywrite content all over the place.
Just my thoughts
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Yes, I've seen the Sitesell knockoffs too. Ken even mentioned one as a resource or reference in a newsletter, so he is aware of it.
I don't understand targeting Sitesell or Sbi in a domain though ... seems that really doesn't target your market as well as benefit keyphrases would.
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:56 pm
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| Debs wrote: | Yes, I've seen the Sitesell knockoffs too. Ken even mentioned one as a resource or reference in a newsletter, so he is aware of it.
I don't understand targeting Sitesell or Sbi in a domain though ... seems that really doesn't target your market as well as benefit keyphrases would.
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Are those affiliates sending traffic to Sitesell? Or competitors trying to get customers away from them?
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:21 pm
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I would say that most are promoting Sitesell and SBI hoping to create their own SiteSell/SBI company with ongoing life time commissions. But there are also lots promoting everything related to the saturated internet marketing concept.
Some of the sites are creative and look very good, But others should really re-focus in other more profitable areas besides internet marketing.
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:38 am
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| petertdavis wrote: | | Are those affiliates sending traffic to Sitesell? Or competitors trying to get customers away from them? |
Surely that is the crux...
Most (but not all) companies are happy to let affiliates use a domain including their name, provided they do not promote competitors. Actually it is a favourite trick used by some super affiliates.
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