Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:06 pm Post subject: Different hosting for better SE placement
I read this in the Webmasterworld forum :
....Google can identify crosslinking on multiple domains with the same ip c-block. A lot of the crosslinking merchants have lost their ranking because they hosted their multiple domains on the same c-block and none of the domains were themselves authorities. Another reason why professional spammers are still in the serps is that their multiple domains are on completely different ip blocks and they have a budget to buy their links (no names but you know I'm sure yourselves of examples of this).
Having multiple domains in itself is not however spam. Don't kick the proverbial out of cross linking and review your hosting arrangements. Are they on the same ip c-block?
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my comment:
If this is true, I have to start to look for different hosting around the world for my network of sites.
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Google have a new patent for distinguishing duplicate pages and near duplicate pages.The important bit is 'near' duplicate pages. If you have several domains and the content is not completely duplicated, but very similar, consider a new layout and re-wording paragraphs to make the sites more different.
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my comment:
Is Amazon Web service generated page duplicate content ?
Alan, copying and pasting posts from other forums is a copyright violation, unless it is your own post. You should either link to the post in question, or, better yet, summarize it.
There are quite a few posts on here regarding Hilltop, authority sites, etc. including links to relevant articles that offer more insight. You may want to check them out.
As far as interlinking domains, that isn't a good idea, and hasn't been for years, when it comes to being on the same ip block. That's nothing new. You can have a lot of domains hosted on the same ip block, just don't interlink them.
Google has also been able to determine duplicate content/pages for quite some time now. This is evidenced by the "Duplicate pages removed" notice that I've seen in Google for over a year now on backlink searches.
Re: Amazon, it's likely a javascript or iframe so it wouldn't matter, most SE's can't read it anyway. Content is text, words, paragraphs, not affiliate codes.
As far as becoming an authority ... lots and lots of relevant, quality content aimed at helping your visitors, then lots of links in because you have such good, relevant, quality content aimed at helping your visitors. Yes, DMOZ and Yahoo help
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Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:25 pm Post subject:
I don't think cross-linking your site really hurts you... but unless you have multiple sites on the same theme, they don't really help you.
I have some of my sites linked... but not because I am trying to cheat the engines... I happen to have two sites that sorta complement each other. One for customer web design and programming, the other for free articles about web design, programming and anything else I get the itch to write about. _________________ Eric D. Burdo They Made $6,513 a day With Clickbank Doing This...
But those sites don't link to each other that I could see. They are linked via a main site though, but not to each other, unless I missed something.
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Different hosting for better SE placement
SteveTao wrote:
If this is true, I have to start to look for different hosting around the world for my network of sites.
Yes, if you plan on a high level of cross linking. You'll also need to use different info for the registration of the domains. Apparently, Google can and do check the history of a domain's registration if they get suspicious.
What gets me though, is why creating a large content site with multiple in-house links is a good thing, but a network of closely hosted minisites is bad...
If the content is the same overall, why is the former considered spamming in some circles?
Just a thought,
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But those sites don't link to each other that I could see. They are linked via a main site though, but not to each other, unless I missed something.
They cross-link on a country by country basis. So, of those examples, the Madrid and Ibiza sites link to each other (along with about 15 other Spanish cities).
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What gets me though, is why creating a large content site with multiple in-house links is a good thing, but a network of closely hosted minisites is bad...
It's not really bad. Cross linking is one of those things that many people have assumed that Google frowns on but there is no evidence for it. It's not specifically against their rules and I've never seen sites banned for it.
GoogleGuy once said that sites that appear to have been banned for cross linking have always been doing something else wrong as well.
Cross linking a whole bunch of sites is likely to get you reported by a competitor but as long as you aren't doing anything else wrong, you shouldn't have a problem - unless you have hundreds of sites because you may create your own link farm.
I'm for cross-linking, within reason I don't think you should have 20 sites on one IP block and cross-link them. But I don't think having 20 sites on one IP block is bad, and I would cross-link 2 or 3 of the sites if it were me, and they were related.
If I wanted to cross-link more than 2 or 3, I would likely look for hosting spread out over IP blocks. Remember though, I am conservative
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:30 am Post subject:
SteveTao wrote:
Well, half of the gang is against cross-link and the other is not. !?
Perhaps you're hoping for a black and white answer, when the real answer is gray (or grey for non-Americans).
I think it's safe to assume that if you link in a logical manner and also get plenty of external links to your sites, you'll be OK.
The more cross-linking you do, and the fewer links you have from other sites, the higher the risk you're running.
Here's a quote from my newsletter in June 2003...
IP-based penalties are rare.
"GG (GoogleGuy) says there are many reasons
that penalties based on banning IP addresses
are not a good idea, and he hasn't seen one in a
long time." _________________ Allan Gardyne
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Yes, DMOZ and Yahoo help 
I don't think you should have 20 sites on one IP block and cross-link them. But I don't think having 20 sites on one IP block is bad, and I would cross-link 2 or 3 of the sites if it were me, and they were related.