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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject:
That's a relative question.
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Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 1158 Location: Maryborough Queensland Australia
Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:48 am Post subject:
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CST,
You remind me of the proverbial bull in the china shop! A simple search for Host4profit would have shown you we have an active topic (see above). Fragmenting general information on a subject over several topics gives little benefit. Try to place your new topics in the best forums but first search to see whether the subject has already been exhausted or is a current discussion you can take part in.
You remind me of the proverbial bull in the china shop!
Wally Morgan - Moderator
On all moderated forums messages of this kind would have been quickly deleted. Not searching for "Host4Profit" is one thing, while launching personal attacks because of it is another.
Just my opinion, not defending CST.
Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 1158 Location: Maryborough Queensland Australia
Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:32 am Post subject:
Monica 1,
You now see we do not censor "vigorously" as some would like to state. Rather, you are left to comment to one another about whether statements are appropriate or inappropriate. It work well and most discussions have been polite. Aggressive messages are removed!
Along with URL's in sig. files, this gentler form of moderation tends to keep people happy in the long run.
Hope that re-assures you, for the moment at least.
You remind me of the proverbial bull in the china shop!
Wally Morgan - Moderator
On all moderated forums messages of this kind would have been quickly deleted. Not searching for "Host4Profit" is one thing, while launching personal attacks because of it is another.
Just my opinion, not defending CST.
I can't help but wonder whether something has been lost in translation here...
I think the "bull" Wally was talking about was the animal itself, rather than any by product. If this was a personal attack, it was so wrapped in cotton wool, I'm surprised anyone felt it.
By the way, regular posters and lurkers appreciate clean and tidy forums as much as moderators, I think. If everyone searches before starting a new thread, two problems are avoided... wasted time and complexity. By adding to a dormant thread, the discussion will probably see new life, but even if some of the old points are repeated, at least everything will be in the same place.
All the best,
Charlie.
P.S. Besides, I can't think of many forums where the moderator regualrly moderates himself. Here's no exception. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
I think the "bull" Wally was talking about was the animal itself, rather than any by product.
Huh, this is a webhosting category, right?
I don't see much point in talking about animals here.
Charlie wrote:
By the way, regular posters and lurkers appreciate clean and tidy forums as much as moderators, I think. If everyone searches before starting a new thread, two problems are avoided... wasted time and complexity. By adding to a dormant thread, the discussion will probably see new life, but even if some of the old points are repeated, at least everything will be in the same place.
You know ( I hope ) I didn't say moderation is useless or something like that and that was not my point. I entirely agree that friendly forums should be moderated. I also think that moderation can be done in a "user friendly" manner, without expressing personal opinions regarding the poster, but rather pointing out problems with his posting in a friendly manner. I think the effects will also be better in this latter case.
I'm also wondering if there is a solution to group similar postings in a common subcategory, this could help a lot in forum usability terms, I think.
Charlie wrote:
P.S. Besides, I can't think of many forums where the moderator regularly moderates himself. Here's no exception.
I know lots of forums though, where moderators tend not to express their personal opinions regarding posters, especially when it is unfavorable and the problem with the poster isn't a repeating one. They simply point out the rules and if things are really bad, they take action (edit/delete/ban)
The problem here is it was a repeating one. You just don't see it since Wally cleaned up the mess.
Wally is more than fair, personal comments are rare and from what I have seen, well-deserved.
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Charlie wrote:
By the way, regular posters and lurkers appreciate clean and tidy forums as much as moderators, I think. If everyone searches before starting a new thread, two problems are avoided... wasted time and complexity. By adding to a dormant thread, the discussion will probably see new life, but even if some of the old points are repeated, at least everything will be in the same place.
I guess clean and tidy is all relative. Years ago I had two roomates. One would freak if the tiniest bit of crumb from the toaster was not instantly cleaned up. The other would cook a huge meal and not want to wash the dishes and pots until 24 hours later. Fortunately someone other than me had the fun of playing mediator.
Sometimes it does get a little scary around here ... The search doesn't always bring you things you want or need -- I have searched for things I wrote and on occasion not been able to find them I have on a number of occasions done a search and not found what I needed, and so I asked only to be told "you shouldn't have asked, you should have searched." I'm a pretty advance computer user, and if I can't find something by searching -- I wonder if a newbie can? Yes, I have on occasion forgot to search before asking, and I have forgotten to say "I searched already" (though I can see how it can seem like one HAS to say that in order to be allowed to ask a question)
Also, as for dormant posts, to me it seems confusing to pick it up, and it would be easier for me to have the old post referenced in a new one. Otherwise it can be harder to know what info is stale and what is current. Of course this is a personal preference.
So, I think it is good behavior to search first but hopefully we can all be gentle and bear in mind (a) sometimes searching doesn't bring up what you want. (b) sometimes people may be newer at computers, the internet, etc. and searching can be a complex thing for them. I know iit can be hard to believe but almost daily i run into users--professional, educated people-- who can't do some basic things and I wonder "how come she can't get it?"
Ok back on topic: webhosting. It is not an affiliate program and it does cost money to join, but wildwestdomains.com has a pretty good program. YOu can set your own prices. The ability to set low competitive pricing is great.
They are a company owned by GoDaddy.com and so it's basically all of GoDaddy's products. GoDaddy is one of the larger webhosting companies, and domain registrars, quite reliable, many features and with good support. depending onwhat you want to do this may or may not be suitable.
I know lots of forums though, where moderators tend not to express their personal opinions regarding posters, especially when it is unfavorable and the problem with the poster isn't a repeating one. They simply point out the rules and if things are really bad, they take action (edit/delete/ban)
I think I quite like the fact that Wally shows a little personality on occasions. If you want to get a word out of him, you could try "the state of education today..." This "warmish button" has worked in the past, in an off-topic sort of way.
Certainly, justifying decisions publicly I like. It's reassuring to think the thought police aren't just hitting the censor button in some back room somewhere.
mdr02125 wrote:
I guess clean and tidy is all relative. Years ago I had two roomates. One would freak if the tiniest bit of crumb from the toaster was not instantly cleaned up. The other would cook a huge meal and not want to wash the dishes and pots until 24 hours later.
I think I'm less tolerant of untidy forums than kitchens, but that's another story.
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Sometimes it does get a little scary around here ... The search doesn't always bring you things you want or need
I know what you mean, but an indication that someone has tried to help themselves is what I appreciate. I should imagine it takes as long to show that an unsatisfactory search has been attempted as it does to do a satisfactory one in the first place, so to speak.
Just a thought,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
- Groucho Marx
I know what you mean, but an indication that someone has tried to help themselves is what I appreciate.
I understand what you are saying. All I was tring to do is ask for a little grace for other's stumblings...
(a) experienced users may on occasion forget to say "I searched and couldn't find, so I'm asking, and
(b) new users may not understand about searching. (Yes, they need to learn.)
(c) even experienced internet users may not realize you can search this particular forum. Even though it is at the top of the screen, the "Search button" is pretty inconspicuous, buried among 6 other buttons, there isn't much of a help screen/prompts, and on top of that it's n tiny font.(even with fonts option set to large).
Charlie wrote:
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I think I'm less tolerant of untidy forums than kitchens, but that's another story.
Heh, that's funny. I think I'm the other way around.
(b) new users may not understand about searching. (Yes, they need to learn.)
(c) even experienced internet users may not realize you can search this particular forum. Even though it is at the top of the screen, the "Search button" is pretty inconspicuous, buried among 6 other buttons, there isn't much of a help screen/prompts, and on top of that it's n tiny font.(even with fonts option set to large).
Wally has a sticky post in "Message Board Introduction"...
I guess it all comes down to personality type. Are you one of those people who rips the toy out of the box and only looks for the instructions later?
Actually, the opposite. I am probably more likely than about 99% of the population to actually read the instructions. However, I must say most instruction manuals for purchased goods or software are poorly written at best, and it is often a waste of my time.
As posted in Wally's sticky post in "Message Board Introduction":
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Don't post duplicate messages in different topics as that may fragment the discussion. Attempt to place your message in an appropriate topic or forum - create a new topic only when none of the existing ones seem suitable
I think a lot of it is interpretation. Sometimes I have searched and I felt my question/topic though similar was sufficiently different to merit a new post. One one hand you can say that fragments the discussion, on the other however, often the subsequent person's question is not addressed if it is appended to an old post because it is overshadowed by the slightly different original post. Also people get put off and don't read or respond to multi-page threads, leaving you narrower input, in my opinion. Yes, the moderator has stated the guideline, so when could be doubt err on the side of the moderatior's preference.
A good example is my post "using a pen name?" http://associateprograms.com/discus/viewtopic.php?t=2601
I posted that because I had searched and found nothing similar, and I had never seen the original thread to remember it. It was recommended I post at the original thread. After seeing it I felt it was different enough that my question would be better in a new thread, however i did not pursue that in deference to the rules of this forum. TIme well tell but I feel this will limit the opportunity to discuss the different, though similar, issues I rased. ttp://associateprograms.com/discus/viewtopic.php?t=536&highlight=
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...which still isn't being read or acted on by everyone.
Even with my less stringent interpretation, Agreed.
Charlie wrote:
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Don't even mention software. As someone once said... RTFM.
What is RTFM? If it means Read The Manual, maybe your manuals are less hopeless than mine
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) I didn't say moderation is useless or something like that and that was not my point. I entirely agree that friendly forums should be moderated. I also think that moderation can be done in a "user friendly" manner, without expressing personal opinions regarding the poster, but rather pointing out problems with his posting in a friendly manner. I think the effects will also be better in this latter case.
Fortunately someone other than me had the fun of playing mediator.
