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Larry Chamberlain
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 3:30 pm
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Hi Sean,
Blimey, this is an interesting topic, but a bit heavy, and I'm trying to get my head around it.
| Quote: | | Basically, LocalRank (The Inter-Connectivity one) favours pages that are linked to from other pages in the same set of results. |
Would that count if you were able to get two (or more) pages in the same set of results? Say Red Widgets Part A, Red Widgets Part B, etc. It would be logical for these pages to be linked to each other.
All the best,
Larry Chamberlain.
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Sean Burns
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 2:54 am
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Hi Charlie
| Quote: | | I remember a case of a company brokering this, but it all seemed to die a natural death - I am guessing because Google objected to people "creating PR artificially by buying it", but what's so different about links from Yahoo? |
It's not different but the problem I was trying to show is that which pages would be experts and would they improve the results? You could set up the best site in the world for your topic but if you don't pay Yahoo the $299.00, you won't appear at the top of the rankings on Google. If you do have the best site in the world, Google wants you to be at the top but they would be relying on the "experts" to put you there.
| Quote: | At the end of the day, surely a large number of links from "unimportant" sites on the same topic would be better than a few from "important" off topic ones - considering impartiality. The less people to persuade, the more the scope for "corruption".
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I guess a large number of links from unimportant relevant sites can be manipulated - you'd see link exchanges dominating the results . The real authority sites that don't exchange links would possibly suffer if links from other authority sites (but unrelated) don't count.
That's just a theory - I'd imagine Google has looked into it thoroughly.
| Quote: | | Maybe one day search results could add extra weight to the opinions of sites that the searcher already trusts. That would certainly be interesting. |
You should be working in the industry!  Google has discussed this in the past. Not really sure how it would work but they would try to guess the reason for a search using a searchers previous history and provide results relevant to them. I think it's a long way off though.
Hi Larry
| Quote: | Would that count if you were able to get two (or more) pages in the same set of results? Say Red Widgets Part A, Red Widgets Part B, etc. It would be logical for these pages to be linked to each other.
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They would look at the IP addresses of the results to weed out results from one site (or multiple sites on the same IP address). So, a link from your own page wouldn't help.
That's based on the information in the original paper - there is a good chance that if Google are using it, they've changed it a bit.
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AllanGardyne
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:38 am
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| Debs wrote: | | With my SBi site, I have a lot of links in from sites I've never requested, or received requests, for links. When I visit the page linking to me, it is quite obvious they are in the style of Traffic Equalizer pages. |
In a similar fashion some adult sites are linking to my newsletter archives. The weird thing is that these sites have made repeated errors in the HTML at the end of the links and are linking to pages which don't exist. As a result, attempts to access non-existent pages show up in my logs.
Fortunately, I'm not losing this traffic, because I use a script which spots the error, guesses the correct URL, and redirects the visitor to the correct page.
The weird thing is that those non-existent pages with faulty garbage at the end of the URL are showing up in Google search results!
At first I thought it was a Google bug. I wrote to Google, and Google blamed a web hosting configuration problem.
My helpful web host explained what is really happening:
"Most likely Google spidered the page this (the link with the faulty HTML at the end of it) was listed on, followed the link along to your site, your error redirection program then provided a page, rather than a hard error message, and Google marked it as a page, and entered it into the search rankings. If people following this link account for a fair amount of traffic, it will show up in the search engine rankings."
My error redirection script reports that these attempts to access non-existent pages are being made every day, to a lot of different pages. I don't know if the Traffic Equalizer type pages are helping the adult sites, but they're definitely helping me 
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Charlie
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 9:00 pm
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Hello again Sean.
| Sean Burns wrote: | | Quote: | | Maybe one day search results could add extra weight to the opinions of sites that the searcher already trusts. That would certainly be interesting. |
You should be working in the industry! Google has discussed this in the past. Not really sure how it would work but they would try to guess the reason for a search using a searchers previous history and provide results relevant to them. I think it's a long way off though. |
I think there are two strands to this...
I was meaning if the SEs knew I rated Allan's opinion highly, they would afford higher ranking to sites that he recommended in the SERPS they delivered to me.
It would also be nice if they could learn how you searched by tracking your satisfaction with results presented. By ordering sites based on how long you had viewed this type of site in previous searching. This would be the ultimate in market-driven results...
One problem might be balancing telling people what they wanted to hear against narrowing them down too much.
At the risk of sounding selfish, when it comes to AI, I tend to put the emphasis on the I. The less artificial the better.
Cheers,
Charlie.
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