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mdr
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:54 pm
Post subject: URL masking/forwarding and search engines
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this is sort of the same topic as
http://www.associateprograms.com/discus/viewtopic.php?t=2162
but not quite - so I started a new one.
Everyone is saying the search engines penalize you for having more than one site forwarded to yoiur main site (my-hats.com and myhats.net forwards to myhats.com).
Will they also penalize you if you host almost all the same content at both sites? (all 3 sites are hosted with almost identical content but separte files)
Someone said that you can forward the other sites as long as you make sure they aren't indexed/spidered by search engines? If so - then how do you do this? Can you do this with something like Site Build It or domain hosted at GoDaddy.com ? Or is this an advanced technirque requiring extensive knowledge of HTML, your own server or etc.?
It seems to me the main reason for the alternate sites--at least in this example -- is your return visitor or advertising offline or in email footers. The visitor my not recall that it's MyHats.com and might type in My-Hats.com or MyHats.Info
advice or thoughts anyone?
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:58 pm
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I also meant to ask, if the SE penalize you for having alternate domain names forwarding to your original, then is this a big penalty or even severe penalty (blacklisting) or is it small enough not to be very concerned about?
also, I supposed you could set up 3 different versios of the website with slightly different content and link to each other. this could take a lot more work (how different does the content have to be to avoid SE penalty?) and cost more for hosting. It seems costly just to capture mistyped URL myhat.net vs. myhat.com.
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:22 pm
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Mark, you are getting into very highly questionable tactics. Most of what you list above is strongly discouraged by reputable SEO firms, as well as banned by many SE's.
Keep the content original and different on each domain. If you can't, then do it all on one domain and be careful not to offer duplicate content. If only a page here or there is duplicate you won't see much muss and fuss, just the secondary pages will not be shown (particularly on Google).
When you see mention on here about a 2nd domain pointing to a primary domain, it is always with the recommendation the 2nd domain not be submitted to SE's or used online, but strictly used for offline promotion (short simple domains on business cards, newspapers etc.).
While you can link sites to each other that are related, it isn't recommended for offtopic sites. I know ... that wasn't your intent. But if you link sites that are awful close in content, you run a high risk of SE's seeing them as mirror sites, a definite no no.
Hope this helps,
Debs
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:07 pm
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| Quote: | | ="Debs"]Mark, you are getting into very highly questionable tactics. Most of what you list above is strongly discouraged by reputable SEO firms, as well as banned by many SE's. |
I guess I am getting a little confused since as recently as this month, the likes of Ken Evoy/Site Sell/SBI and others (I can only recall two others now--Nitro Marketing, and WildWestDomains(GoDaddy.com)but there are more--
anyhow many are recommending these domain forwarding strategies. I had heard of these forwarding strategies for 1-2 years before I heard of Ken Evoy about 2 months ago and it's something a number of his materials -- both public matierals on websites and for his affiliates mention in various forms.
So will the following strategy (which is done by hundreds of affiliate sites I've seen) hurt at the search engines? Is this a new thing, new tactic for the search engines that most SE advisers have not caught onto?
Jugglenow.com has a
http://www.jugglenow.com/SBI-reference-center.html has a page that redirects to a sitesell.com page with his affiliate link on it. It's "masked" so that the visitor can't tell the orginal domain name and chop off the affiliate ID #. (without doing this one could easily lose the commission if they come back later to order)
So will both jugglenow.com and sitesell.com be penalized at the search engines for having duplicate content?
If you do a search at yahoo.com on the page title "Complete Site Build It! Reference Center" you see 2640 results -- dozens of people who have done this same forwarding with masking.
Another example
ActNowDomains.com is an affiliate of wildwestdomains. Their are no unique pages they simple redirect (masked or "cloaked") to the affiliates link at wildwestdomains.
I've seen dozens if not hundreds of affiliates do this for various programs
I use these examples because they are easier than fake names and they are widely known and promoted by the respective affiliate programs and can be found in any search engine, so there is no confidentiality broken by doing so.
Debs thanks for your response! thanks for any clarification that you or anyone can offer.
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:19 pm
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The difficulty with all of this is the subjectivity. I believe (might be arrogant or over-stepping) that I have just as much knowledge on search engines as any SEO firm. I mean any. However, I leave much room to be wrong.
Point being I have around 20 domains that forward the domain name. It might be that they are not in sements that get hand checked. I will leave that open. Most are forwarded to blogs. They all have pr ratings of 6-7. I can move them and keep the pr and then attach them to focussed non-blog content sites. I have done it 4 times without penalty.
I guess the difference is that there was quality content on both sites (the forwarded and the non-forwarded). No searcher complained.
I must tell you that with all this I rarely consult message boards. I attempt to find contacts inside organizations. That is all I will say for now. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:48 pm
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Ken recommended the domain forwarding, as I stated above ... by not having it indexed, but using it for offline promotion.
There is a difference in all the various forms of redirects, forwarding, masking, etc. I didn't get into those. I was addressing duplicate content.
Sorry if I confused you.
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:56 pm
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Thanks!
I see it now  yes as far as duplicate or near duplicate content being questionable, I understand that. I thought you were referring to all of these things (the whole umbrella) being highly questionable, not specifically the content issue.
As far as how to keep the spiders from indexing the page that forwards, i guess I can leave that for another day to figure out 
Thanks, again. I may not be able to return the favor but when I can I will pass it on.
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:11 am
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I think that this method would be fine:
Site1.com
Site2.com
Site1.com actually has space and content.
Site2.com is forwarded to point to Site1.com - it has not content of its own.
The SE's see this and will index Site1.com - not Site2.com
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