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Jim Guinn
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:52 am
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| waken wrote: | It's surprising that the all favored GoDaddy has issue like this. I've just read Mike Filsaime's opinion too about GoDaddy that alerted the same possibility.
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If I were Mike Filsaime, I would jump on the band wagon, since the inetrnet is abuzz with this story and the sympathizers far outweigh the opposed.
Therefore, as a smart marketer, I would figure the majority of my loyal customers are pissed at GD, too. So, I step up, as a MAJOR marketing player, and speak out against GD. My fans will say, "Hey, even so and so is speaking out against GD."
A few weeks later, I would introduce my "GD alternative" for the little guy....and make a bundle selling it and it's services.
Afterall, that is where the money is, and the bigger my list base and followers, the bigger my windfall profits would be.
It's a great business move waiting for one of the major players to act upon...if they are saavy enough to spot the opportunity, and can pull off the toughest part...convincing us it's being done to help us...not to make more money for this "stalwart servant" of the marketing community who has just happened to get rich off the backs of others.
Jim
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:29 am
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Andyz,
You are not going to like this answer, but you asked me, and I feel I have to be honest.
In all sincerity, I read your last post to me 3 times, the last time with the music off and really concentrating, and I still have a problem following your total logic and any of your analogies (electric company, flat renter). Andyz, you are really all over the place. I don't think it really matters how I respond to you at this point, so I am going to pass on this.
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Jim Guinn
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:30 am
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| pete wrote: | | Well, every forum needs a devil's advocate, or two. |
  
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:30 am
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| Andyz wrote: | | An electricity company or many other send out reminders on real paper, so why should a registrar not do it? |
A business runs on a cost/risk analysis. If the business believes sending lots of paper notices costs a lot as opposed to sending emails (which isn't indeed as reliable today as it once was) while truying to maintain a steady bottom line, then why should they?
Is it because your registrar sends you a paper notice that you expect others to do the same thing? Not all business providers are created equal, you know.
If you're perhaps curious as to how much a registrar pays in costs, I'll list just about 2:
1. $6 for every .com registration, renewal, and transfer they accept in their systems.
2. $0.25 to ICANN for every domain registration they process.
And that's not taking into account how much they spend in hardware, salary of their employees, merchant fees, all that good stuff. If the registrar lets you register a .com at $7.95 a year, then minus $6.25 and there's hardly anything left.
Any investigative work entails time and money. Registrars, just like any other business, must leverage their time and money in handling matters while being able to stay afloat for their customers.
"In that case, they shouldn't be a registrar!"
Can you force somebody to not run a registrar business? No.
Both of you believe different things, and neither has to believe what the other one does. But as long as you use their services, you are at their mercy.
I already gave a simple solution earlier. If you're not using Go Daddy, then you might want to check with your current registrar.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:56 am
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Jim, can you tell me what you mean with that i'm all over the place, please?
| Quote: | | I read your last post to me 3 times, the last time with the music off and really concentrating, and I still have a problem following your total logic and any of your analogies |
No problem, I will try help you with that.
| Andyz wrote: | | An electricity company or many other send out reminders on real paper, so why should a registrar not do it? |
Is it really not understandable...?
Just forget about the kind of company...
Many companies send out real papers as reminders before they cancel their services.
So why can't GoDaddy do it?
Now davezan has already said that it would cost too much, but again, that was despite my argument that it would be only pennies for every customer. Or it can be in the TOS that in the case of a fault the customer has to pay a fee for the physical letter, as it is usual with most companies anyway.
I hope it's understandable, I am german so my english is not so good.
@davezan:
| Quote: | | Can you force somebody to not run a registrar business? No. |
This point is futile.
Of course not. And also any registrar can't force anyone to use their services.
Your whole post is only about how little money a registrar is earning and that they can't afford to be good to their customers because of that.
I already posted a solution to that, just billing for sending out a physical reminder.
You're another one that sees a customer as a problem and not as one that you can EARN ( I spell again: E-A-R-N) money by SOLVING their problems.
Because if you don't solve their problems you haven't really earned that money.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:20 pm
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| Quote: | | It's a great business move waiting for one of the major players to act upon...if they are saavy enough to spot the opportunity, and can pull off the toughest part...convincing us it's being done to help us...not to make more money for this "stalwart servant" of the marketing community who has just happened to get rich off the backs of others. |
Hey Jim,
That's profound. I must train myself thinking like a real marketer 
Thanks.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:31 pm
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| Jim Guinn wrote: | | waken wrote: | It's surprising that the all favored GoDaddy has issue like this. I've just read Mike Filsaime's opinion too about GoDaddy that alerted the same possibility.
Think twice.. |
If I were Mike Filsaime, I would jump on the band wagon..So, I step up, as a MAJOR marketing player, and speak out against GD. My fans will say, "Hey, even so and so is speaking out against GD."
Jim |
Have you bothered to read Mike Filsaime's actual comments before making your post? If you haven't, then based on what I have read I would say that your comments are cynical, derogatory and somewhat slanderous.
In making his comments about GoDaddy, Mike Filsaime notes, inter alia, the following: " Imagine, have a site for 10 years that is making you $10,000 per month, and one day, a person recommends your site in an email and you get a SPAM complaint and you lose your site forever.
What is worse, they do not handle this by phone. You can only deal with this situation via email and they will not even tell you if they received your email, only that they will deal with the issue on a first come first serve basis.
This can take weeks and cost you thousands in lost sales, not to mention your loss of creditability. The abuse dept at Godaddy is a HUGE revenue source for them and they make a fortune on unsuspecting customers that have been with them for years.
If you are wondering how I know this so well? I had this problem with them in 2005 and lost over $40,000 in sales and refunds and took over 3 weeks to get my site back."
Now, if it is not true that he lost "over $40,000 in sales" as a result of GoDaddy's policies and actions he could be sued by GoDaddy and also have his reputation ruined for being a dishonest marketer who is lying to make a fast buck from the current GoDaddy controversy.
Has it occurred to you that he has genuine concerns based on his loss of over $40,000 and wants to alert others to this? Moreover, the report in which he made the comment about GoDaddy has only a very small section on them (2 pages in a 36 page report) so it's not as if he has devised a marketing plan focused on GoDaddy (as you blithely suggest) based on the current furor!
I really think you should try to get your facts straight before cynically conjecturing about a prominent and highly respected marketer's motives and strategies. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:16 pm
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Hi Narapoia,
Here we go again...
The only thing I said was "If I were Mike Filsaime, I would jump on the band wagon.."
The rest of my post, I use the term "a smart marketer".
My post is not "cynical, derogatory and somewhat slanderous" since I never even "blithely" suggest this is what Mike is doing.
| Quote: | | I really think you should try to get your facts straight before cynically conjecturing about a prominent and highly respected marketer's motives and strategies. |
I think you need to familiarize yourself with the art of "tongue-in-cheek" and relax a bit.
Jim
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:55 pm
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I think you need to familiarize yourself with the art of "tongue-in-cheek" and relax a bit.
Jim |
My apologies if I misunderstood you. I can appreciate a bit of "tongue in cheek" from time to time and am not averse to admitting that I have misunderstood someone |
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:17 pm
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Ah, no problem.
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Did anyone hear additional information about the GoDaddy matter? I wrote to them via CJ but have not received a reply. I need to add some new affiliate links and have the option of either Network Solutions, which always notifies me in writing about anything important with my domains, or Godaddy.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:34 pm
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When there are so many domain registrars to choose from, why is your choice only between GoDaddy and Network Solutions?
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:45 pm
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| AllanGardyne wrote: | | When there are so many domain registrars to choose from, why is your choice only between GoDaddy and Network Solutions? |
That would definitely be for manageability vice market supply
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