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anastasis
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:06 pm
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Gamezing
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 12:55 pm
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heh...so put it somewhere giving it away...and asking that people not download and read it unless they are going to trade links...lol do that on every forum.
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Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:44 pm
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First, this post is likely more appropriate to the "Complaint" forum than a general affiliate discussion, especially since it has nothing to do with affiliates per se.
Second, it is a violation of copyright to give away a product without permission from the copyright holder. Just because you purchased an ebook, doesnot give you the right to distribute it at all, let alone freely.
You can complain to your credit card company regarding the ebook and request they process a chargeback. Don't know if this will help you, but it is worth a shot.
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:04 pm
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Debs why is this a violation of copyright? Hard copy books have been borrowed and sold for years without this penalty? So ebook writers worry about their work being emailed all over the place for free but this is no reason to invoke copywright. Hard copy books are loaned and shared too. E-book writer need to work out a beter solution
As a lawyer, but not a copyright expert, I am sceptical about this claim of copyright. I agree that reproducing a work in whole is a breach, but I don't agree that printing out one copy and then lending that one copy to friends or selling that one copy to a second hand book store is a violation.
We must not let new rights be accepted without resistance. The writer's lawyers want to scare us into not sharing. Authors want to have the best of both worlds ie easy cheap creation and distribution, which occurs on the web, as well as all the protections built up over years of common law for hard copy writers. I feel pretty angry about the exorbitant prices for often inferior vanity puplishing that likely would not have seen the light of day pre-internet. People are being ripped off.
We should resist. 
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:29 pm
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I don't think the issue is that she can't resell it (or give it to someone). I think the issue is that she can't distribute it... That would be the same as photocopying a paper book and selling the copies...
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Debs
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:37 pm
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Ed was right in saying it is distribution that is the violation of copyright. Obviously, you can purchase something and then resell it, or give it as a gift, (in its original form) without concern, providing you keep no copy. Ebooks are a different animal in distribution simply because of the ease with which you can duplicate.
However, taking something like an ebook, printing it out, which changes the form, then distributing it, or posting for open distribution, is a violation of copyright in most countries, and definately in the U.S.
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DatabaseDesigner
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:54 pm
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The real problem here is the word COPY. If you pass on an eBook it is OK, as long as you DELETE it on your computer. That makes it only ONE COPY.
Printing it is a violation of copyright, really, as you now have two copies, but it seems common sense that you are allowed to do that for yourself.
Another VERY interesting question is taxation and customs clearance 
Each time I sell an eBook, shall I carry all the electrons in it to the customs?
They have huge problems with this all over the place 
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:27 pm
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| Quote: | Another VERY interesting question is taxation and customs clearance
Each time I sell an eBook, shall I carry all the electrons in it to the customs?
They have huge problems with this all over the place |
DatabaseDesigner,
In my country, St Lucia, customs usually charges a lot when nationals import hard goods. It's nice to know that I can download a hundred ebooks from the net and not pay a cent to them.
I love the internet!
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DatabaseDesigner
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 5:34 pm
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Actually, all over the world, they do not know what is hitting them, but it is called the global, free market.
When I go from one country to another, I bring with me a CD, containing a valuable piece of SW. Let's say it's worth 100.000 USD. I clear the CD with the customs; I pay 20% of the CD value (2 USD) which is 40 cents, and that's it. It is a joke.
Even better: I let the customer download the SW from my (business) site. I just take the trip without any CD, and do the final arrangements. I let them pay to my credit card.
I go wherever they are pleasant and friendly, and use the money there.
What can the local (my country) authorities do? Nothing. It is leftovers from the old world, before global communications.
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Charlie
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Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:15 pm
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On the subject of copies (and customs duties), it's more a case of enforcement than anything, I'm afraid.
Incidentally, as far as I understand it, it is legal to make one back up copy of a digital product.
Cheers,
Charlie.
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Gamezing
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:32 am
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| Debs wrote: |
Second, it is a violation of copyright to give away a product without permission from the copyright holder. Just because you purchased an ebook, doesnot give you the right to distribute it at all, let alone freely.
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She just said they told her she could give it away as incentive for people to trade links with her... |
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Gamezing
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:42 am
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Not to mention most of these copyrights stand up about as well as they do on scripts...
If anyone has seen EveryAuction...I wrote part of one of the addons there years ago...it has been sold and everything else...you know why? Cause once you make about a 30% change to a script you own it...
It can say you are not allowed to modify it in a disclaimer...and guess what...that doesn't matter...
It doesn't matter if someone thinks it is morally wrong or copyright infringment...the truth of the matter is...the copyrights most people put on their book is just (C)CopyRight blah blah blah.....those do not hold up in court...
Unless you actually have a written copyright on something...don't even bother trying to pursue it in a court of law.
Take for instance a program I wrote for 8 Rent A Center stores...I had a lawyer go through and copyright this for me...here locally...
When you do a copyright and you really want to prove ownership...on source code it is about a 30 page document proving it. Along with source code....If you modify like 20 or 30% of the code...you have to append that every time you do anything...
People who think they are copyrighting something and think it will hold up in court by placing (C)CopyRight are only kidding theirselves. Because like I have said. I already had some of my work stolen...and guess what? Nothing I can do about it hehe... |
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:27 am
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Gamezing,
You needed a better lawyer.  Yes, revisions need to be protected, as well as the original work, but that isn't the question here. Copyright exists when something is put into published form, period. What rights you have on lawsuits vs. DMCA etc. is another matter ... you have more rights, and rights to damages if you have filed copyright vs. if you haven't filed the official documents in the US, but the copyright still exists and is protected.
Insofar as my statement above, "Second, it is a violation of copyright to give away a product without permission from the copyright holder. " I stand by it, I don't know who Glenn is or if it is his book, the posting was very long so I went "generic." 
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Gamezing
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 3:39 am
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I agreed with you on the fact that when you put it in published form it is copyrighted...I was just saying that copyright isn't worth the proverbial hill of beans in a court trying to prove it hehe...Good luck getting damages taken care of by someone stealing something copyrighted in that format.
As for the lawyer he is exceptional...Thats why I had him do the other program...cause I would love to see someone try and steal that hehe
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Debs
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Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:44 am
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Copyright appears to have more teeth on the net then. Cause you can close to immediate benefits if you know what to do
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