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Larry Chamberlain
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 8:57 am
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Hi Folks,
A wonderful New Year to you all, may 2004 bring you all that you desire and not slip by so fast as 2003 did
First off. I'm not 100% sure if I should be starting a new thread with this, or be continuing on with one of the 'motivational' threads. It isabout motivation, but not about your motivation for being in this business, but what happens when you
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....down in the hole!
I guess I'd better explain what I mean
Sometimes, (mostly I would say) I can't wait to clock out, rush home from work, fire up the 'puter, check my stats, and get busy, busy, busy. Write new content, try this, try that.
Othertimes, I'm in front of my screen, but really I'm just a lump sat there. There is no spark! Maybe waste the whole evening, and not even attempt to achieve anything. The negatives have taken control, the buggers
Of course it could be tiredness, but then often when you are tired enthusiasm somehow overrides that and keeps you going. Reminding myself of the reasons that I started down this path should be enough to give myself a kick up the bum, and get me back on track, but somehow that don't seem to work when...
...I'm down in the hole!
Okay, enough rambling on.
Does this happen to any of you folks? ( I suspect that it does, it can't just be me, surely?)
If so, can you recommend a good psychiatrist? No, seriously, what works for you in getting out of it and getting on with it
Can I say that I'm not in that nasty ol' hole at the moment,(if I was I probably would not be bothered to post this) so I'm not after encouragement as such. I know that I'm gonna make it, by hook or by crook, if I try
All the best,
Larry Chamberlain. _________________ Why Do Most Affiliates Make Less Than $500 Per Month?
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Charlie
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:19 pm
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| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | A wonderful New Year to you all, may 2004 bring you all that you desire and not slip by so fast as 2003 did |
You, too mate.
And a personal thanks for the jokes that have kept me sane on many a lonely night. Whether it's Sherword Forest (or Nottingham Castle, in your case), virtual trips North of the Tyne or whatever, it has certainly added a certain "je ne sais quoi" to the proceedings!
[Just because Ken's in Quebec, doesn't mean he gets to have all the fun.]
Allan often describes this as the "friendly, helpful" forum. I think your posts over time fit the overall "theme" as well as anybody's - plus you're good at stopping fights.
Anyway, that's just about enough wild praise (however much deserved) for one day...
| Quote: | but what happens when you
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We all get into holes from time to time (usually dug with our own spade), but I think the problem isn't so much the hole (or how deep it is), as much as whether you can keep the top in sight.
You always sound pretty optimistic to me.
| Quote: | | Sometimes, (mostly I would say) I can't wait to clock out, rush home from work, fire up the 'puter, check my stats, and get busy, busy, busy. Write new content, try this, try that. |
This is a very good sign.
| Quote: | Othertimes, I'm in front of my screen, but really I'm just a lump sat there. There is no spark! Maybe waste the whole evening, and not even attempt to achieve anything. The negatives have taken control, the buggers  |
Do you mean you get distracted surfing, or is it more of a writer's block thing?
If it's lethargy, how are you going for diet? Make sure you don't go more than 3 hours without eating anything. (That's the easy bit.) The more meals the better. Leave the Atkins diet in Hollywood and stuff yourself with carbs at every possible opportunity. Drink water by the bucket.
What about those grandchildren? I bet you've got a few recent memories, so replay them to jump start the creative thinking. (I hope you have a good play with their toys whenever they'll let you. It's not just fun, but mentally releasing, too.)
| Quote: | | Does this happen to any of you folks? ( I suspect that it does, it can't just be me, surely?) |
If you mean getting into holes, yes. That's the strange paradox of it all. You only see the happy positive me on here.
| Quote: | Can I say that I'm not in that nasty ol' hole at the moment,(if I was I probably would not be bothered to post this) so I'm not after encouragement as such. I know that I'm gonna make it, by hook or by crook, if I try  |
You certainly are. You are the best person to answer your own post (or at least recognise the right answer for you when it pops up).
Keep it coming,
Charlie.
P.S. | Quote: | | can you recommend a good psychiatrist? |
That's one particular secret I'm keeping all to myself...
As the good doctor often says... "There's no room for nutters in my practice - we're choc-a-bloc already".
[New Year, old joke. You can't win 'em all... I went to a pantomime (no sign of Frank) yesterday with my three-year old nephew. Let's just say I feel a little "different" today. ] _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
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Debs
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 3:23 pm
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Hey Larry Happy New Year to you as well!
I agree with all Charlie said ... don't expect it to continue however
Yes, it happens to me! Often too. I could go a week without being what I call productive, then rush into weeks of super productivity. It can happen due to family distractions, work, holidays (oman can it happen with holidays and all that they entail!)
Sometimes I think it could be worse for women (no offense guys!) because of child care, working outside the home, and some of the tasks commonly referred to as *ahem* "women's work."
I am diabetic, but even if I weren't, Charlie's advice about eating carbs and small meals frequently is absolutely essential. Carbs first thing in the AM is essential to get brain juices flowing, so just do it more often to keep them stable all day long, just ask Dr. Phil The thing about carbs is they help "level" blood sugars throughout the day which can prevent those feelings of distraction, down time, depression, and lethargy. This is medically proven, seriously.
Break from the computer every couple hours ALL THE TIME not just when you are feeling "in the hole." This keeps your metabolism going and blood circulation in proper order. Same with regular exercise, go chase the dog, or cat, around the block if the kids are grown. I would suggest chasing your better half, but then we may never hear from you again Take time to smell the roses it will rejuvenate your mind and body, to paraphrase Charlie.
Keep a notepad on your desk, the paper and pencil kind to jot thoughts and notes down as you walk by ... use these notes to spark you during your "down" times. Carry a pocket size notebook to work and on outings too ... fleeting thoughts can be a great jumpstart for you.
One of the things that helps me, is to pick something to research from my list of thoughts ... sometimes I just have to go surf, satisfy a hunger to learn about something. So I set my oven timer for one hour to do that, bookmark pages, make notes. So while it isn't always "productive" in that it may not pertain to my project of the moment ... it got my mind working and it's then easier for me to switch over to being productive on my site.
Best wishes,
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Charlie
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 5:25 pm
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Hello again.
I don't know if this is working on you Larry, but it certainly isn't doing me any harm...
| Debs wrote: | I agree with all Charlie said ... don't expect it to continue however  |
I certainly hope not. I once read a quote from a UK business man (yes, that one)...
"If two of us agree, one of us is unnecessary."
Well, lets just say feelings of self worth are nothing to be sneezed at... At least in the good old days, we could count on each other, Debs.
| Quote: | | Sometimes I think it could be worse for women (no offense guys!) |
None taken. Actually, I tend to agree, but for different reasons.
| Quote: | | The thing about carbs is they help "level" blood sugars throughout the day which can prevent those feelings of distraction, down time, depression, and lethargy. |
Exactly go for the complex ones (like wholemeal bread and cereals) rather than refined foods such as biscuits.
| Quote: | | Break from the computer every couple hours ALL THE TIME not just when you are feeling "in the hole." This keeps your metabolism going and blood circulation in proper order. |
Frequent meals also help with this. The metabolism is boosted for a period after a meal to aid digestion, so you actually burn more calories at rest, too.
[If they think I'm starving myself just to stay slim, they can think again.]
| Quote: | | One of the things that helps me, is to pick something to research from my list of thoughts ... sometimes I just have to go surf, satisfy a hunger to learn about something. So I set my oven timer for one hour to do that, |
And I thought my life revolved around the kitchen.
Oh yes - affiliate programs...
All the best,
Charlie. _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
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Larry Chamberlain
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 6:41 pm
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Hi Charlie,
Thanks very much for replying, and for those kind words.
| Quote: | | Do you mean you get distracted surfing, or is it more of a writer's block thing? |
Both of those things happen, certainly, but I find them a little easier to snap out of than a 'nothings working' mood.
| Quote: | | If it's lethargy, how are you going for diet? Make sure you don't go more than 3 hours without eating anything. (That's the easy bit.) The more meals the better. Leave the Atkins diet in Hollywood and stuff yourself with carbs at every possible opportunity. Drink water by the bucket. |
Ha, ha! Not a lack of food Charlie, whether carbohydrates, protein, calories or anything else In fact I should have made a New Year resolution to loose a little of this middle age spread. You never know though, it could be something to do with diet, they say you are what you eat.
| Quote: | | What about those grandchildren? I bet you've got a few recent memories, so replay them to jump start the creative thinking. (I hope you have a good play with their toys whenever they'll let you. It's not just fun, but mentally releasing, too.) |
Yes, Kids are a tonic especially when you don't have to clear up after them!
| Quote: | | You certainly are. You are the best person to answer your own post (or at least recognise the right answer for you when it pops up). |
You are right, someone else's answer to the problem may not be the best answer for me, I'd still be very interested to read of other's methods for combating it though.
| Quote: | | I went to a pantomime (no sign of Frank) yesterday with my three-year old nephew. |
I bet that you enjoyed that as much as your Nephew did. No doubt about it, comedy can be a great pick me up But the pantomime was yesterday, today it is behind you. Where? Behi.. Sorry
Hi Debs,
| Quote: | | I agree with all Charlie said ... don't expect it to continue however Wink |
Puzzled over that one for quite a few moments, finally fell in though
| Quote: | | I am diabetic, but even if I weren't, Charlie's advice about eating carbs and small meals frequently is absolutely essential. Carbs first thing in the AM is essential to get brain juices flowing, so just do it more often to keep them stable all day long, just ask Dr. Phil Smile The thing about carbs is they help "level" blood sugars throughout the day which can prevent those feelings of distraction, down time, depression, and lethargy. This is medically proven, seriously. |
On the days when I am 'down' I'll have to try and remember what I have eaten, some pattern may emerge.
| Quote: | Break from the computer every couple hours ALL THE TIME not just when you are feeling "in the hole." This keeps your metabolism going and blood circulation in proper order. Same with regular exercise, go chase the dog, or cat, around the block if the kids are grown. I would suggest chasing your better half, but then we may never hear from you again Wink Take time to smell the roses Smile it will rejuvenate your mind and body, to paraphrase Charlie.
Keep a notepad on your desk, the paper and pencil kind Smile to jot thoughts and notes down as you walk by ... use these notes to spark you during your "down" times. Carry a pocket size notebook to work and on outings too ... fleeting thoughts can be a great jumpstart for you. |
Exersicise, errm, well perhaps that is another resolution I should make! By the 'better half' do you mean that woman that chased me through the divorce courts? The notepad and pencil is a good idea, they say that 'million dollar' ideas come to everyone now and then, but usually we instantly forget them!
A wealth of good ideas Debs, thanks very much.
All the best,
Larry Chamberlain. _________________ Why Do Most Affiliates Make Less Than $500 Per Month?
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Charlie
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:47 pm
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Hello again Larry.
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | Thanks very much for replying, and for those kind words.  |
It's always hard work, but as it was you...
| Quote: | | Both of those things happen, certainly, but I find them a little easier to snap out of than a 'nothings working' mood. |
One thing to try is setting very trivial targets for yourself (which you can mix up with the bigger ones) to make sure some things work. I am one of those people who tends to start many things, but not finish all...
[Sorry, couldn't resist. That pantomine's got a lot to answer for. ]
Once something works, it will carry you through a couple of temporary disappointments. Look back on what you have achieved with the site. Not the monetary aspects, the publishing ones. You often say, how SBI! has enabled you to do things you never thought possible, so why not remind yourself, by just enjoying the site. Don't analyse, just enjoy.
Then go along the one small improvement a day, tack. You can easily succeed in this area. I am still trying to learn that "champion mentality" (see another thread) - none of us (not even champions) are born with it. It is a state of mind that is built up through a gradually escalating series of small successes that are repeated so often, that success becomes wired in for the important things.
| Quote: | | You never know though, it could be something to do with diet, they say you are what you eat. |
My favourite book is "The Complete Guide to Sports Nutrition" by Anita Bean*. All I can say is, it's enough to make you want to be an athlete, just for the grub!
No rabbit food and lentils and certainly no fads. The theory seems to be to eat as much as possible (within certain restrictions). They give you a bit of science then plenty of recipes.
[At this rate well have to ask for another section to the forum. ]
I am no athlete, but I certainly love that book. Turns you into a human dynamo - physically and mentally.
| Quote: | | You are right, someone else's answer to the problem may not be the best answer for me, I'd still be very interested to read of other's methods for combating it though. |
Yes please. And recommended recipes.
| Quote: | But the pantomime was yesterday, today it is behind you. Where? Behi.. Sorry  |
If that doesn't confuse a few more "foreigners", nothing will.
| Quote: | | Exercise, errm, well perhaps that is another resolution I should make! |
Strange as it may seem, that reminds me of a(nother) book I hope to write one day...
I read a study of amateur darts players, who were divided into three groups. One group practised for 30 mins a day, another group did no practice at all and the third group imagined themselves playing darts (successfully) for 30 mins per day.
The first and third groups improved equally, and the group that did nothing showed no improvement at all.
My idea is "virtual exercise". In other words, sitting in a chair for thirty minutes a day, imagining yourself running.
[I know it sounds like another joke, but I'm serious.]
You would need to take things seriously, but you can certainly get your heart rate up just by imagination (!), so I see no reason why you wouldn't generate the same physical changes in heart size (and corresponding aerobic fitness) as well as visible muscle tone. The same would apply with weight training.
I have never heard of anyone doing this, but it strikes me it might be of interest for injured athletes, disabled people and the (ahem!) lazy.
Sorry for the digression, but I'm buzzing with ideas today.
Cheers,
Charlie.
*Another good one is "The Benefits of a High Calcium Diet" by Nora Bone, but strangely that seems to be out of print at the moment.  _________________ "Before I speak, I have something important to say."
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Jewel
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Hi, Larry,
Along with Charlie's suggestion about trivial targets, why not also just randomly choose one tiny baby step you need to do for one of your projects? It could be something that takes you less than a minute. Do just one, then let yourself off the hook for the evening with a sense of accomplishment. |
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Larry Chamberlain
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:52 pm
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Hi Charlie,
| Quote: | I read a study of amateur darts players, who were divided into three groups. One group practised for 30 mins a day, another group did no practice at all and the third group imagined themselves playing darts (successfully) for 30 mins per day.
The first and third groups improved equally, and the group that did nothing showed no improvement at all.
My idea is "virtual exercise". In other words, sitting in a chair for thirty minutes a day, imagining yourself running. |
Write it! Bound to sell like wildfire. We all want results with no perceived effort
As for Nora Bone that made me more suspicious of Anita Bean, so I checked the book out on Amazon - and it does exist!
Hi Jewel,
That's a great idea (though I tend to be a bit of a slow poke at anything, so most things take me considerably longer than a minute )
What could be done in a short space of time?
I could search for more potential link partners (I certainly need to do that)
I could check out some more suitable affiliate programs.
I could use SBI manager to check out more keyword phrases.
I could....
All the best,
Larry Chamberlain. _________________ Why Do Most Affiliates Make Less Than $500 Per Month?
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AllanGardyne
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 3:40 am
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Heaps of excellent advice has been offered already, so I won't waste time repeating it.
I fell into a bad hole for a long time, a few years back. It's a trap I still fall into quite often. It's making the mistake of checking email and reading newsletters the first thing I do for the day.
I'd have prepared my list of "6 most important things to do" the night before, but instead I'd spend an hour or two reading and answering emails and reading newsletters.
Then I'd have a long coffee break (I drink water or fresh vegetable juice these days) and after that, instead of starting on my important things to do, I'd be tempted to download more emails and newsletters. Pretty soon, it would be lunch time, and then in the afternoon I'd often repeat the pattern, by then getting a bit tired and being tempted to click on links in newsletters and explore a few sites...
In the evening, I'd tell myself to get stuck in and begin that article or whatever, but by that stage all my energy and enthusiasm seemed to have vanished. (I've improved my diet and exercise since those days.)
I'd start doing research for an article, but be tempted to click on interesting looking irrelevant links...
Often days and weeks could go by in which I didn't even start on my "to do" list.
Here's the new, better way...
On days when I'm worker smarter, I force myself to NOT download email, and start straight into doing a small, useful task. (For example, to me, answering questions on this forum is a useful task. It makes me feel good and at the same time I promote either my newsletter or excellent products I recommend in my signature, so I'm not giving away my valuable time for nothing.)
I've found it takes my brain a while to warm up in the mornings, so it's best to start with a quick, easy task - one of those trivial goals easily achieved. That quickly gives me a feeling of accomplishment that sets me right for the rest of the day. After that, it's time to work on the top priority task in my "to do" list. I use a real diary on my real desk, so I always have the "to do" list open and only a few inches from the keyboard.
If it's a large task, I break it down into small chunks, to allow me to reward myself with a large tick when I've done it. (I used to cross out things I'd done, but ticks are much more pleasing.)
Joanna and I also reward ourselves for small victories, such as achieving new traffic targets or higher subscriber numbers, or higher commissions, or sometimes simply if a large commission check arrives in the mail - the more excuses the better! It reminds you that you're making progress.
In the early days of AssociatePrograms.com, I used to keep a record in the back of my diary of the daily traffic - 100, 200, 300... When things are tough, you need to keep reminding yourself how much you've learned and how much progress you've made.
The biggest mental boost I ever received was on the day in 1998 when I quit my day job. Suddenly I was the one who was responsible for my own future. It was a glorious feeling that immediately transferred itself into my work online, and from that month on my business took off like a rocket.
If you want it enough, you'll get there.
Good luck!
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Charlie
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 12:24 pm
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Hello again.
| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | Write it! Bound to sell like wildfire. We all want results with no perceived effort  |
That's the way it sounds, but unfortunately there is a great deal of effort involved with visualisation techniques. I have tried them with varying levels of success in different areas.
In this case, you will actually feel the same breathing and tiredness (as with real running) and you will sweat all over the upholstery. I have a terrible feeling return rates might be very high once people realised the effort involved (and the size of the cleaning bills).
| Quote: | As for Nora Bone that made me more suspicious of Anita Bean, so I checked the book out on Amazon - and it does exist!  |
This is one of only two non-business books that I have bought twice (different versions). The science hadn't changed (good news - no fad); the recipes had (even better).
| Quote: | I could search for more potential link partners (I certainly need to do that)
I could check out some more suitable affiliate programs.
I could use SBI manager to check out more keyword phrases. |
Although these are all worth doing, if you are suffering a bout of "nothing's working at the moment", you need to find things to do that are explicitly creative and have viewable results that are indisputable.
Adding something to your site is a good example, as it's visual. It might be worth keeping a list of little pick me up jobs.
Allan's post struck a chord with me. I have been paralysed with procrastination in the past, and this was both a good reminder of the problems of underachieving I've had and the work I've still got to do.
I have a feeling many people will gain a lot from that post.
| AllanGardyne wrote: | | The biggest mental boost I ever received was on the day in 1998 when I quit my day job. Suddenly I was the one who was responsible for my own future. It was a glorious feeling that immediately transferred itself into my work online, and from that month on my business took off like a rocket. |
I think this has to be the big goal for many people. It certainly was for me. There's an excellent thread on this...
http://associateprograms.com/discus/viewtopic.php?t=841
All the best,
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Larry Chamberlain
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Hi Allan and Charlie,
Thanks very much for posting the detailed advice.
A common theme seems to be exercise and diet. I have to put my hand up to being very lax in both those things. I don't exactly knock myself out physically at work, and then come home and flop in front of the computer, I'll have to do something about that.
Thanks very much once again.
All the best,
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Charlie
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 8:12 pm
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| Larry Chamberlain wrote: | | A common theme seems to be exercise and diet. I have to put my hand up to being very lax in both those things. I don't exactly knock myself out physically at work, and then come home and flop in front of the computer, I'll have to do something about that. |
I own several of Anita Bean's books.
You might to take a look at "The Complete Guide to Sports Nutrition" (for armchair athletes, as well as the real thing, if you ask me) and "Food for Fitness" (less science and more recipes).
These menus are great for energy generally. You can certainly get away with eating most things, and the first book covers some good ways to eat and exercise for various goals.
Wait til you see how you're supposed to feel all the time when your properly fuelled. You'll wonder how you ever survived before.
All the best,
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Hello Larry,
Wishing you a wonderful new year as well!
I haven't checked this forum for a couple of days - one of my new year's resolutions is to stay on task.
I hope you have climbed out of the hole and have covered it up!
Many thanks to You,Charlie,Debs,Jewel and Allan. This thread has lots of valuable motivation tools to keep us all out of our holes- I'm saving it to my desktop.
Only one problem---now I feel compelled to research Anita Bean's book, instead of finishing a webpage--- (sounds great! thanks FTI)
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Timothy Warnock
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Hi Everyone
Allan, Charlie, Debs, Larry, and all, haven't been around for a while, wishing you all the best year yet!
Thanks for the down to earth post Larry. I think anyone who says that they don't fall into the hole is lying. Life is about duality, and the downs and the ups are an integral part. Perseverance and patience are the keys.
Wonderful advice being shared here. Allan, you kind of named my same challenge - I have found myself in the same darn trap, again, and again - swamped by email, with an almost sense of guilt if I didn't respond right away, then distractions, etc. etc. and before we know it, the day is gone!
Then to make up for this - the midnight oil... then a tiredness cycle starts...
It really does take discipline to avoid this.
One wonderful thing to do when we are stuck in the dark (above and beyond the wonderful advice already presented here) is to help someone out - reach out and make someone smile, help them in anyway you can, big or small.
This works wonders - it gets the juices in the heart flowing - these juices cure all ails. Isn't this why we like posting here so much? Sure, Allan says he gets his products out in view by posting, but don't let him fool you - this forum is his secret medicine box, by offering such helpful posts he is actually healing himself.
A helpful post a day, keeps the doctor away...
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Charlie
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:30 pm
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| Timothy Warnock wrote: | Hi Everyone
Allan, Charlie, Debs, Larry, and all, haven't been around for a while, wishing you all the best year yet! |
Good to see you posting again, Tim.
| Quote: | | One wonderful thing to do when we are stuck in the dark (above and beyond the wonderful advice already presented here) is to help someone out - reach out and make someone smile, help them in anyway you can, big or small. |
| Quote: | | A helpful post a day, keeps the doctor away... |
Judging by the jokes in this thread (and elsewhere) the doctor would have probably run away screaming (with his hands over his ears).
Reminds me of a quote by the "late, great" Bob Monkhouse...
| Quote: | | When I said I was going to become a comedian, they all laughed. Well, they're not laughing now. |
All the best,
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